94: You Watching This? MCU 2025+

Summary
In this episode of Comic Dudes, hosts Dave and Matt delve into the current state of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). They discuss upcoming films, including Captain America: Brave New World and Thunderbolts, while also exploring the implications of introducing the Fantastic Four into the MCU. They also talk about the tumultuous journey of the upcoming Blade movie, the disconnection of Phase Five of the MCU, and the return of the Russo Brothers for future Avengers films. They discuss the introduction of Dr. Doom, upcoming MCU projects, and the various Disney Plus series. The conversation also touches on Sony's continued production of villain-centric movies and the overall state of the MCU, expressing a desire for more connectivity and excitement in future releases. The conversation is filled with humor, insights, and a candid look at their thoughts on the evolving landscape of comic book adaptations.

Chapters
00:00 Intro
05:58 Marvel Cinematic Universe: The Current State
09:04 Upcoming MCU Films: Captain America and Thunderbolts
11:51 The Future of the MCU: Fantastic Four and Beyond
35:58 The Tumultuous Journey of Blade
38:59 Phase Five's Disconnection
41:59 Introducing Dr. Doom
47:58 The Russo Brothers Return
51:09 Future MCU Projects
55:03 Disney Plus Series Overview
59:59 Sony's Villain Movies

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Transcript

Dave (00:02)
Welcome back to the Comic Dudes, a podcast about comic books and comic book related things. My name is Dave with me, as always, my esteemed co -host Matt. Matt, how are you?

Matt - CDWA (00:10)
I am hanging in there Dave, how about yourself?

Dave (00:13)
I'm doing okay. I'm doing okay. Hanging in there as well. You're hanging a little tougher than me. Yeah. Yeah.

Matt - CDWA (00:15)
Good. Yeah.

Yeah, it's got some personal stuff going on with family. Death's never fun, but as we continue on this dusty trail and get older and older, these are the things that we have to deal with. So just figuring it out. It's very, very somber.

Dave (00:26)
No, no it's not.

Very true. Very somber start to the pod today.

I'm not trying to make light of anything, but we really we came in heavy Yeah, it's okay, it's okay. Hey, that's life that's real we're unscripted and unfiltered and You know, this is part of that. Sometimes people say some real shit

Matt - CDWA (00:42)
Yeah, yeah, we should this? Alright.

Yeah, no, I agree.

Dave (00:58)
Well, if you'd like some more real shit, you can follow us on socials. You can meet us in the the parasocial almost real world on Twitter and We also have an Instagram and a tick -tock and a discord if you'd like to join us there the discords cooled off quite a bit people have been pretty busy stuff's been going on and everyone's lives but still there if you'd like to hop in and Say hello and talk about comics and video games and sports and whatever else tickles your fancy

Matt - CDWA (01:25)
Yes.

Dave (01:25)
In terms of in terms of tick -tock I'm trying to do better about posting on tick -tock and posting Content there that is not found in these episodes I did I did get a banger today That's in in reference to how we do on socials So not a true banger by any stretch, but a comic dudes banger. So Go check that out if you get some time today You can't see it but Matt's looking perplexed because he's is you know on tick -tock

Matt - CDWA (01:47)
Okay.

Dave (01:56)
like the youths.

Matt - CDWA (01:57)
Yeah, don't know how to operate the TikToks, so we'll have to figure that out. We'll have to figure that out for sure.

Dave (02:00)
Yeah, I'm like five years older than you, so I don't want hear it.

It's ridiculous, ridiculous for you to say that. That's your you know, I hate when podcasts have a very long preamble before they get to the meat of the episode, but. I have taught you how to use Tick Tock. There's a period of time where I was sending you Tick Tock's trying to help build an algorithm for you that was going to be funny and include things that I know you like and you didn't stick with it.

Matt - CDWA (02:09)
One of these days I'll figure it out.

Dave (02:32)
I don't want to hear this. I don't know how to use it. That's the that's the lamest boomer excuse I've ever heard.

Matt - CDWA (02:38)
I just had a lot of jamaran on my feed with handguns, that's all I remember.

Dave (02:42)
That shit's funny. And hey, there's some jammer and content on our tick tock as well, if you'd to check that out coincidentally. Yeah, it's also on our Instagram, but today's post is only on tick tock because that kept the type of content that I posted today doesn't do well on Instagram is more tick tock specific type of content. But anyway, you know, I don't want to keep talking about socials.

Matt - CDWA (02:48)
I think I should have seen that. That's the one thing I have actually checked out is the job rate content.

Gotcha.

Dave (03:12)
I want to talk about other things. And if you've been with us since the beginning, you know that we have done, guess several is the right word, several episodes about the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And hey, you might be thinking to yourself, come on, guys, that's clickbait, low hanging fruit. Ever every single dickhead on YouTube is doing MCU rage bait content for views. And you know what? Yeah, you're right.

And is this some of that too? Yeah, maybe. Have no shame. It's content that's interesting to me. So we're talking about the MCU specifically upcoming stuff. If you listen to the last episode we did about the MCU, it did have a clickbait title. Yes, it was called as the MCU dying. And we talked about fatigue. I admitted to having quite a bit of it. Matt for a while. Yes, finally.

Matt - CDWA (03:44)
You

Finally, finally.

Dave (04:09)
Things have been sort of meandering along aimlessly or so it feels since end game. There's been some announcements. Lately in the MCU land as well as some other Disney plus stuff too. So today we're going to talk about upcoming movies 2025 and beyond only stuff that has a release date. We're going talk through some of it and then we're going to we're going to make a decision.

On the pod, would you see this in theaters? Yes or no. I know where I'm at because I prepped for the episode and Matt is just along for the ride this time. Typically, Matt is the person doing all this type of prep work.

Matt - CDWA (04:51)
So can I just clarify something when we talk about would you see this in theaters? Would you say like would Matt 10 years ago see this in theaters or Matt now? Because I'm not going to the theater to see anything not so because of interest but just because of children and life and all that but like Okay, perfect Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. You have a life. You have a life You have a life too. I'm just saying okay. I'm just yeah. Yeah. Yeah

Dave (05:07)
Yeah, we're gonna assume that you don't have children and a wife and a life. Not that there's anything wrong with having those things. Right, yeah. Yeah, yeah, this is if the stars aligned and you were able to, would you see this in theaters?

Matt - CDWA (05:22)
like sneak out okay sounds good yeah yeah got you perfect

Dave (05:27)
And we're not doing 24. I know there's another movie coming out this year. We're not talking about what's coming out this year. Right, we got one more this year, right? I think we do. Pretty sure we do.

Matt - CDWA (05:35)
I don't know, do we?

You're up on the moral of the day. You're in season, and I am out. Yeah.

Dave (05:40)
Maybe not. I know. know I got all along just came out on Disney Plus. I thought there was another movie this year, but maybe not. Maybe I'm wrong anywhere focused on 2025 and beyond. And the first one is Captain America Brave New World. It's releasing on Valentine's Day 2025 directed. Well, you don't have more talking about release day of this year on release day. God. This man showing up negative.

Matt - CDWA (05:57)
I'm out. I'm out.

Yeah.

Dave (06:09)
It's directed by him to get the director's name out. It's directed by Julius Ohna. I'm not familiar with their work but anyway This used to be called New World Order. They changed the change the name This is Sam Wilson as Captain America's first big screen feature appearance as the successor to the suit and the shield and Anthony Mackie still in it

Danny Ramirez is in it as walk when Torres Carl Lumbi plays Isaiah Bradley, who is the new Falcon in the MCU. And then Tim Blake Nelson is Sam Stearns. And Harrison Ford makes his MCU debut as Thaddeus Ross. He's replacing William Hurt, who sadly has passed away. Yeah, yeah. So.

Matt - CDWA (07:00)
Yeah, yeah, we gotta give him some grace on that one at least a little bit.

Dave (07:07)
Initially, New World Order was supposed to be Cap and Falcon going up against the leader. And then they were going to also butt heads with the new president of the United States, Thaddeus Ross. But things changed and now we have a I guess we have a different antagonist. So, yeah, Captain America, Brave New World, it's Falcon Cap, it's Red Hulk.

This is in the spoiler. If you've seen the trailer, they fucking spoiled that shit. Day one with the trailer, the reveal trailer. Thanks for that, Marvel. You can't have shit. Can I get a trailer that doesn't spoil half the movie for once? I try not to. I came and go on Twitter. I came and go on Twitter. The day the trailer comes out. Yeah.

Matt - CDWA (07:37)
Yeah.

That's all.

You can't, no. Yeah, don't watch any trailers. That's how you, yeah, that's, that's, no, yeah. Yeah. You're going to see the, and slam it down the shield. Like you're going to like, it doesn't matter. You're screwed anyway.

Dave (07:56)
That's the that's the I don't want to go on a tangent, but I'm Yeah, the problem is that like we everything that we create is then just absolutely like. Picked clean for content for others to repost and I get that we're doing that right now. Alright, the irony is not lost on me. But I would like to the I put the responsibility on the people that create the trailers. You could just keep that shit to yourself. You don't have to give away everything in the trailer, but guys you can.

Matt - CDWA (07:59)
That's the social media.

Yeah.

Dave (08:26)
You can leave us something to enjoy when the movie comes out. But anyway, I digress. Matt, what are your thoughts on this movie?

Matt - CDWA (08:34)
preferred the New World Order title, but clearly they were sued by WCW and the New World Order with Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall, a defunct organization as of 1999. now, this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, WCW has been out since 1999. But I do think that, I think there were some, some connotations with the New World Order, not in the wrestling contents with something else, but regardless.

Dave (08:46)
Really? You're making that up, right? That's not real.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, want to call Kogan too, but.

Matt - CDWA (09:04)
As you may, I don't know if we ever put this on wax, but that Captain America Bucky series I really did like, but I hated that Falcon and Winter Soldier. I did like that show a lot. I hated that speech. The Z -Moment dance I could have done without. I went on a rant about how I hated that speech at the end, how I thought it was just ridiculous. And you're like, it's not that bad. Read the comics XYZ. Regardless.

Dave (09:11)
Falcon and Winter Soldier? Yeah. Me too. I could have done without the Z -Mode dance.

I got downgraded to a dot, dot, dot, x, y,

Matt - CDWA (09:34)
No, you just came at me for it, because I'm like, dude, this is too much, but whatever. I might actually go to the theater to see this one. I was excited. I thought that... What do you... I mean, I watched the trailer one time. I didn't really dig super deep into it. The premise...

Dave (09:43)
Well, we're not there yet. We're not there yet. We're not there yet. We're going to talk about it and then we'll make a decision. We're going to talk. I want your thoughts on the film first, man.

I haven't watched the trailer at all. just had it spoiled on Twitter.

Matt - CDWA (09:59)
The premise sound interesting. saw the Red Hawk like smashing down the shield at the end. So I'm kind of into that. It looked the trailer from what I remember, like the reason it excited me is it looked like we're getting back to like gritty Marvel and like Winter Soldier Marvel, where I think Marvel, the MCU was at its best when it's before it started getting more fantastical, which is okay. But I really liked the, we, we both like kind of grounded.

more grounded stories. And I want to, I'm a Bucky Cap guy, but I want to see the story they tell with, you know, Anthony Mackie. I like Anthony Mackie as an actor. think he, whatever weird Twitter space is like, I feel like he got a lot of shit cause he's a black dude and whatever. think that's part of it. But like, I want to see how he does kind of on his own standalone movie, not so much a mini series, which I did enjoy. So, I did.

Dave (10:35)
Me too.

Mm

Matt - CDWA (10:57)
I believe see some of the costumes in the costume. like much better than the one that was in that show. I hated that costume too. Like it looks, it looks like that, but it just looks better. It looks better. It looks, didn't like, I didn't like like the face piece of the original one that was in the series. Like you're like, it's accurate. And I'm just like, I don't know if something looks off, but yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, those are my thoughts. Like I'm, pretty actually.

Dave (11:05)
they changed it?

Okay. All right.

That's Comic Accurate. You know I love Comic Accuracy.

Matt - CDWA (11:26)
As someone who's been exhausted on the MCU, I'm actually pretty positive about this movie. Yeah, so.

Dave (11:31)
OK, so you know me, you know I'm a Red Hulk guy. You know I love Red Hulk and and Falcon cap my second favorite cap. Bucky caps number one. Then Falcon cap. And then that whack ass Steve Rogers cap coming in third.

Matt - CDWA (11:35)
Yeah, yeah for sure.

Yeah.

That's over, Steve.

Yeah. You stated this before. This is not new.

Dave (11:51)
Can't help it. Yeah, I can't. I'm sorry. I can't help it. But, know, one of the things that I hate that Marvel does is kill the villain in the movie that they appear in the first time. And it feels to me like one of two things is happening. Either they've done what I cannot stand and shown too much of the film's protagonist and Red Hulk is the villain in this movie.

I'm going to kill him or. Yeah, or it's a bait and switch, which I prefer, and there's some sort of team up that happens at the end and there is a different villain. Maybe the leader is still in this. I don't know. I'm assuming no, but it would be great if. The latter were true and we didn't see most of the film in that trailer. I do have to say, God, sorry, I got what we're going say.

Matt - CDWA (12:24)
It'd be stupid. It'd be really stupid.

No, I was just going to say I should have did some more research, but I feel like Giancarlo Esposito is in this movie and he is the actual villain. He's going to be the actual villain in this movie. But you got me thinking now, whenever I see Harrison Ford, I'm like, this dude is dying in a movie because he does not want to continue on AKA, sorry, spoilers for Star Wars.

Dave (12:58)
Maybe.

Okay. All right.

Matt - CDWA (13:19)
Force Awakens, but yeah, exactly. Like, like Han Solo's out. So like, I feel like whenever I see Harrison Ford now, I'm like, he's taking the bag to get paid. And then he's getting off the board because is he really going to want to be in all these MCU movies moving forward? No, he's not going to want to do that. So like, yeah, now that you said that, I'm like, you might be right.

Dave (13:19)
It's been 10 years or something. Get over it.

He's 82!

Like this motherfucker was born during World War II. Let that sink in.

Matt - CDWA (13:42)
What if?

What if Red Hulk isn't him? Thaddeus too. Like what if it's not him? What if it's someone else?

Dave (13:55)
I mean, then you're not you're not canonical with the comics anymore, which bums me out. But, you know, I guess that could be a thing. I don't see. I don't see how you can do that. Like the reason why Red Hulk works is because for so long, Thunderbolt Ross has been after that ass. He hates the Hulk so much. And then to turn into the thing which he hated the most is what made Red Hulk so interesting.

Matt - CDWA (13:57)
You know, anywhere close to... Yeah, true, yeah, yeah.

It would make sense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

Dave (14:22)
And the way that he kind of accepts that over time and then turns it into, you know, he ends up being like a pretty heroic, but albeit much grittier and more militaristic and serious type of a Hulk, which is why I liked Red Hulk so much. think if Thunderbolt is not going to be Red Hulk, man, we fucked up.

Matt - CDWA (14:40)
There might actually be, well, spoilers of him like transforming as well too. I'm like vaguely remembering that. Like, so it probably is him. was just.

Dave (14:50)
Which also begs the question, this 82 year old Harrison Ford, like some of the coolest things about Hulk transformations that you could do in a film is like, we saw it in Avengers. We've seen it every time like the Ruffalo Hulk appears, like Mark Ruffalo gets fucking blasted with something and then the Hulk emerges in a puff of like rubble and smoke, because he transformed as he was getting hit or right before like.

Matt - CDWA (15:04)
my question is.

Dave (15:18)
And granted that stuff CG, but how realistic can we really do the transition with 82 year old Harrison Ford? Like he can't do the shit. He can't do the setup shot even. Like this man's not doing any tumbles or rolls or you know, we're not, we're not putting them in a rig and like lifting them up in a sound studio to get the green screen shot. You know, like we're not doing that stuff with this man. We'll break him.

Matt - CDWA (15:24)
True. You did it right. Yeah, that's true.

Take it or not.

Yeah, you're gonna ruin filming for like six months when you break his like femur trying to lift him up and yeah, yeah, no, you're right. That's true.

Dave (15:43)
I believe I've already filmed it, but

Okay, so would you see this in theaters? Yes or no?

Matt - CDWA (15:55)
absolute I might actually go see this one in the theater like I even with my baggage I will try I might try to sneak out and see this one this was one of the ones on my list

Dave (16:04)
Okay, so in the spirit of the episode where we disregard our actual lives, would you see this in theaters? Yes or no.

Matt - CDWA (16:08)
100 % with no baggage. There's, yeah. Yes.

Dave (16:14)
Yeah, me too. Even though I'm hesitant that the version of me that loves the MCU is secretly very excited about this.

Matt - CDWA (16:22)
feel like this is kind of like a soft reboot. don't know. I feel like they're trying to get back on track. Okay, okay. Okay.

Dave (16:25)
We're gonna talk about that too. I have some thoughts about that too. So we're gonna talk about that. But this is a phase five movie and we are still in the middle of phase five.

Matt - CDWA (16:35)
Okay, all right.

Dave (16:37)
We'll talk as we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. OK, so the next film we're getting in 2025 on May 2nd, directed by Jake Shrier Shrier Shrier. I'm so sorry. I don't know how to say this dude's name. We're getting Thunderbolts. It is, I think, the only team movie that we're going to get that's Avengers esque.

asterisk we're talking about that a second to you've got Bucky Barnes aka the Winter Soldier you've got the White Widow, Yelena Belova, Wyatt Russell who is I believe that's US agent is it not I think that's his name Red Guardian and I guess some more it's if you've watched the secret scenes in the Disney Plus shows the director of the CIA whose name escapes me I should know this

Matt - CDWA (17:21)
Yes, you're right.

Is it the woman from Seinfeld, Julia Reece -Dreyfus? gosh, yeah.

Dave (17:38)
Yes, Julie Louis Dreyfus recruits all these people I can't remember that the characters name unfortunately, but Yeah, all the people that she's been recruiting are for a Thunderbolts movie The the tagline on this not really the tagline but then the little blurb that I found on this online it just says at least the characters in the team and then and More as an unlikely group of heroes and villains brought together to fight for good

Matt - CDWA (17:45)
She's got purple hair. don't, yeah, I know.

Okay.

Dave (18:09)
and they are doing, they're working for the US government.

Matt - CDWA (18:13)
Okay.

Dave (18:14)
I was a Thunderbolts guy. I really liked the original Thunderbolts comic. I thought it was an incredible premise. was very original at the time. A bunch of classic Marvel villains, some less classic than others masquerading as superheroes to like win the favor of the world and kind of rival the Avengers with the ultimate intent of doing evil. But then somewhere along the way, they just kind of turn into actual heroes.

Matt - CDWA (18:44)
That's cool.

Dave (18:46)
Yeah, what we're getting in the MCU just feels like Suicide Squad Lite.

Matt - CDWA (18:51)
Yeah. Yeah, like, I mean, Wyatt Russell's character, like, killed one person or something, but like he did. He's not some diabolical, you know, in the Bucky did. Yeah, Bucky did some work. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I, my experience with Thunderbolts, I think was like a 2000s era series that I liked. I thought was good. I think it.

Dave (19:02)
Yeah. Well, I think Bucky and White Widow kind of balance that out. Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

Matt - CDWA (19:19)
Was there Thunderbolts during Dark Rain with Norman Osborn? Okay, I think that's... no, you know, I'm confusing that with Dark Avengers, nevermind. That's what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking of Dark Avengers. Yeah.

Dave (19:22)
Yeah, Luke, Luke Cage ran the team. I think I think that's the same one.

Well, there was still something in that like Siege, Dark Reign era of Marvel where there was a Thunderbolts version with Luke Cage running the team.

Matt - CDWA (19:42)
Yeah. I feel like I read that as well too, but, I was. Yeah. very cool premise. like you said, this team doesn't feel like it's the thunderbolts, but we'll just use the name. They're thunderbolts in name. so.

Dave (19:46)
They're like based out of the raft or something, I think.

Right. Yeah, that's basically what it boils down to with this one. Thunderbolts in name. Which is weird to me because, you know, I don't I don't know why we had to call it Thunderbolts like you had such a great premise to draw from in the comics and you've really watered it down for the sake of what I don't know.

Matt - CDWA (20:11)
Yeah.

Couldn't they just be the secret Avengers? Like that was... Yeah, yeah.

Dave (20:27)
Or the West Coast Avengers, although that have been more like you're canonically even farther away from the comics because the original West Coast Avengers was like Spider -Woman and Wonder Man and Hawkeye and Iron Man and I forget who else. Tigra maybe.

Matt - CDWA (20:42)
Were any of these characters in the Thunderbolts ever? Like the movie characters?

Dave (20:46)
I don't think U .S. agent ever was, but I'm not sure because they've done some reboots of the Thunderbolts comic. and some of those characters have been kind of retconned back to villains like Moonstone's just a regular villain again. I think Songbird, I think that was her name, Songbird. She actually was in the Avengers for a little while. Like she made the heel turn permanent. Well, I guess it was the not the heel turn, but like the opposite of whatever that is. Sure. She did that and it stuck.

Matt - CDWA (20:53)
True.

face turn.

Dave (21:16)
I want to say the the dude in the armor that could fly to like Mach 6 or something I think was his name in the Thunderbolts. I don't know what the villain was, but I think he actually turned into a legit hero too. I don't know. But you got on the shelf back there. Whip it out.

Matt - CDWA (21:29)
No, I was... No, no, no. I was seeing... Because, like, I feel like this Dark Avengers, they were actually the Thunderbolts team. But I don't know, like, it was... It was during Siege in Dark Renegade.

Dave (21:33)
Whip it out short to the camera. Pause.

I don't think the dark Avengers were the Thunderbolts though. I think they were based out of like, they were in a mountain base, right? Yeah, Moonsun was on the team. Yeah, and it was like, yeah. It was like Thunderbolts -esque. You're right. Maybe it was Thunderbolts. I don't remember. It was like 20 years ago or something. Not what? Not wasn't 20 years ago. It feels like it. Well, anyway, I don't have much to say about this one.

Matt - CDWA (21:44)
Okay. I just like -

Because Moonstone was on that team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I feel like, yeah, yeah, it's fine. I don't know. It was... Yeah, it was. Yeah, yeah, so...

Dave (22:08)
You my my general thoughts are it feels like the Suicide Squad, but make it Marvel, but like worse. I don't know. You see this in theaters.

Matt - CDWA (22:19)
Yeah, I probably would because the trailer once again, it looked grounded and gritty. So I'm like, okay, probably, guess, depending on the vibes that I got from Cap. But I would go I would say I would go and see this movie in theaters.

Dave (22:35)
I think for me it is a.

Matt - CDWA (22:41)
That's to say if it's a hot day in Texas and you need air conditioning, I'm going to, I popcorn. I know you don't have movie style popcorn though in your house.

Dave (22:43)
Luckily, I have it in my house.

I think I think this one for me would be like. Thor Ragnarok or like I don't think I'm going to like it. I don't know. No, no, no, not that. That's how it looks. I'm saying like I'm thinking back to when I saw that in theaters and based on the previews, what I was expecting going into it. And I think I would go see it with very low expectations with the expectation of I'm going to be disappointed or not like this. And if it if it exceeds those expectations, then it wasn't a wasted trip. But I think.

Matt - CDWA (22:57)
no, it doesn't look that bad.

Okay.

Yeah.

Dave (23:19)
Yeah, I'm probably going to see it, but expectations are in the basement.

Matt - CDWA (23:25)
I'm feeling pretty good right now because like, I'm - we're doing pretty good because I was off Marvel for a little bit. I was not interested whatsoever, so I don't know.

Dave (23:32)
Yeah. Yeah. All right. OK, well, let's see if this changes your mind. Our third film in twenty twenty five, July twenty fifth, directed by Matt Shockman.

Matt - CDWA (23:36)
Let's see if we can.

shock me.

Dave (23:48)
Fantastic Four First Steps. It's the first time that the Fantastic Four will appear in the same universe as the Avengers. We're getting Reed, Sue, and Johnny. This is a phase five film still. They will have Herbie with them, their robot sidekick. Do you know what Herbie stands for?

Matt - CDWA (24:07)
Okay, okay.

Okay.

I used to but I don't anymore, no.

Dave (24:17)
I never did. don't. I got a reason I know is because it was I looked it up. It's humanoid experimental robot B type integrated electronics.

Matt - CDWA (24:26)
Okay, I did never do that, that I lied. That's a bold -faced lie. Bold -faced lie.

Dave (24:28)
Ridiculous, it's ridiculous. Ridiculous name. You can tell that shit was coined in the 60s when we didn't know much about technology in order to have a lot of it. Anyway, it's set in the 60s.

Matt - CDWA (24:46)
I did see that.

Dave (24:47)
Yep, we've got John Malkovich in it. We've got Joel. can't, why can't think of his name? Joel from The Last of Us. What the fuck? His name escapes me. Yes, thank you.

Matt - CDWA (24:54)
What?

Pedro Pescal.

Joel, Joel.

Dave (25:03)
Joel's in there. Silver Surfer is in it. Yeah, there's I don't know if you can see behind me. I have. there he is. I just got a silver surfer, a little little guy for the shelf. Yeah. Yeah. So in this movie, Silver Surfer is going to be Shala Ball. Who was Norton Rad's love interest?

Matt - CDWA (25:08)
really?

He's very sober.

no, is it a female silver surfer? here we go, here we go.

Dave (25:33)
Yeah, it's a female silver surfer. Yeah. Norrin, Norrin saved his planet and by extension his his love, Shala, by submitting to Galactus and taking on the power cosmic to be his herald. That's Norrin Radd's his origin. But yeah, we're not going to have Norrin in this one, which is, you know, whatever, like

Matt - CDWA (25:45)
Shalabah.

Hmm, interesting. Interesting.

Dave (26:03)
I don't a gender swap of a character is whatever, like totally changing the character's name is weird. Like, why can't Norin Radges be a woman? Like, why does it have to be? Why does it have be totally different person as Sofer Surfer? I would buy it. Tell me Norin Radges a woman. What the fuck? I don't know that Norin is an ungendered name. I've never heard that's made up. It's fucking who cares what it is.

Matt - CDWA (26:16)
Yeah

That's interesting.

of the power cosmic, I'm not going to lose my mind about it. Maybe I should, but I don't know. Whatever.

Dave (26:31)
What? Let's start with the Power Cosmic.

Matt - CDWA (26:34)
It's the power of It's fantasy. It's like, hi, who cares? I'm with you. I'm with you, who cares? I'm with you, who cares? I

Dave (26:38)
Yeah, man, we're talking about comic books. What the fuck? Okay. I feel like we're on the same page, but it feels like we're not.

Matt - CDWA (26:47)
It's just, the race swap, the stuff, gender swap, here we go, Disney, it's like, that's what I'm saying, that's what I'm it's a power cosmic, who cares, these are like, I don't know, like, if you make Reed Richards a woman, I'm probably gonna be more upset, I'll be honest, like, that makes no sense, like, no, it's fine.

Dave (26:51)
It's not but this isn't a gender swap like I wouldn't care if it was it. Yeah.

Yeah, but that's

fair. But I love silver surfer. So I'm confused. Norn Rad is the silver surfer not shala ball.

Matt - CDWA (27:14)
Well has shallow ball ever been? I expect you to have a chronology of all comic books from 1960 up to today. Totally reasonable.

Dave (27:14)
Nornrad.

Maybe. I don't know.

Seems reasonable.

Yeah, I got nothing else to do. Allow me to devote 90 % of my brain power to just remembering those things. For the for the sake of this podcast.

Matt - CDWA (27:31)
Exactly, just to what issue number? The one issue that shall have all was the Silver Surfer in like so weird as one off what if comic. Yeah, it's just a random. I'm gonna have to do some research now. I'm gonna write that down.

Dave (27:38)
Right. Yeah. It's like one number 38 from 1968. I'm sure at some point she was she was the owner of the power cosmic and some version of the sofa server. I'm sure that's that's the thing. But you know, I'm more confused by setting this in the 1960s. And here's the thing. Here's the thing where I think Marvel has.

Matt - CDWA (27:52)
Yeah.

Yeah, like,

Dave (28:07)
gotten themselves into some trouble because phase five was supposed to be the multiverse saga. And the big bad was going to be Kang, who is a time traveler. So we're already like, we're not quite aligned there. Now, if you want to tell me that the plan here was to introduce the Fantastic Four in the 60s and then have some fight with Kang and he yanks their asses the present day. Yeah, I'm buying that, I guess. Kind of weird, but I'm there. You can you can convince me of that.

Matt - CDWA (28:36)
Yeah.

Dave (28:36)
But what do you do now? What do you introduce the Fantastic Four in the 60s for?

Not sure.

Matt - CDWA (28:43)
I don't think Marvel can answer those questions currently. They are still under deposition because of Mr. Majors. So we are not going to answer anything. This is all, we're putting this on Jonathan. All this has to go on Jonathan. He screwed up the phases. He jacked every, the whole storyline up. So yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't know. I don't know.

Dave (28:46)
No.

Yeah. Fair.

Fair. I mean, yeah.

He did. He did. Dude sucks. Piece of shit.

Not as big of a piece of shit as Diddy. But still a piece of shit.

Matt - CDWA (29:11)
Yeah. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Dave (29:14)
Come on. Come on.

No. He's already been convicted in my mind.

Matt - CDWA (29:23)
No, it will be deep fried chicken for days with all that oil. With all that oil in the house.

Dave (29:26)
That man was refused like, yeah, he was refused like $10 million bond. Like the judge saw some shit on those tapes. This man will never be free again. He'd be lucky if he doesn't get Epstein.

Matt - CDWA (29:35)
Yeah, it's like, it's a wrap. It's a wrap.

Why did he come back to New York? Like, that's just like, bro, you couldn't stay away. You couldn't stay away, you always

Dave (29:45)
Got so much money, man, you should just left gun to a non extradition country if you wanted to get away. But now you got caught and fuck you for all that shit you allegedly did that I believe you did actually do. There's too much, there's too much corroborating evidence for multiple people saying the same shit. Some women just sued him this week alleging sexual assault from like 2004 or something. All this stuff corroborates.

Matt - CDWA (29:49)
to soon.

Damn.

We just, I have to do this sometimes for my wife. So I have to like lay out like a timeline of my thinking. I'm like MCU, Kang, Jonathan Majors, corrupted black man Diddy. That's how we got here. It's straight line. It's cleaner than the multiverse saga. It's one straight line. It's one straight line.

Dave (30:29)
Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

We did it faster than six degrees to Kevin Bacon, too. We did it in five steps. We're efficient. We're efficient. Anyway, back to this weird 1960s setting for Fantastic Four. You know what? I guess I'm open to seeing what that means.

Matt - CDWA (30:40)
That's true. That's true. Five easy steps, gosh. Yeah.

Yeah.

You're good. Yo.

I love the Fantastic Four like you do. I mean, it's Marvel's first family. I mean, like, I feel like in hindsight, like if I had to trim one, I probably wouldn't go to Thunderbolts. I'd go to this because I love that weird, like, it's not even weird, but I like that 60s aesthetic. Like I like like Fallout and those weird like Bioshock's not 60s, but like 1940s. I like those old like retrospectives and when people

Dave (31:05)
So do I.

Matt - CDWA (31:29)
have like the old posters and the old marketing and stuff like that. Like I just, that just pops out to me. So like, I'm already kind of a little bit intrigued by that. I'm curious to see, like you said, what they're going to do. I'm assuming there's going to be some kind of time travel aspect to explain why the Fantastic Four were not involved at all in this major conflict with Thanos. Where the hell was Reed Richards at?

Dave (31:32)
Sure, yeah.

No.

I can tell you why. Because that took place in the 2010s. 50 years after Reed Richards was a grown man. He'd be Harrison Ford out there. He'd be 80.

Matt - CDWA (32:00)
Yeah. Please.

But yeah, but okay. So the Fantastic Four were around in this universe and like they, they did nothing of significance whatsoever. Or like never heard of them or truly see this is why this multiverse nonsense. It's just, it's just.

Dave (32:15)
Yeah, exactly. Like we don't know. We don't know anything about no one's ever heard of them before.

And how many times we got to do this shit. This is the same thing they did with with Captain Marvel. We introduced Carol in the 90s and then she disappeared into space and known as anything about Carol Danvers. But trust us, Fury knows. Because he was there and then we got that jank ass D aged CG Fury.

Matt - CDWA (32:37)
Yeah.

Yeah, that horrible haircut.

Dave (32:46)
Yeah, there's not there's I can't think of a good reason to introduce these characters that are so much a cornerstone of the comics in the 1960s. And how do you get them into present day? And if you're not going to and they're in the MCU proper, how do you explain them existing in the 60s and knowing about them? We get men in black. Got mind wiped like what the Galactus is in this. So.

Matt - CDWA (33:15)
Interesting.

Dave (33:16)
Don't get me started on that the rise of the silver surfer

The only thing that rose in that movie were my eyes in an arching maneuver over and over and over as I rolled them at every single thing happening on the screen.

Matt - CDWA (33:31)
a giant storm front coming towards the planet. Yeah, no, I don't

Dave (33:35)
Yeah, yeah, that's how I would interpret Galactus for sure. Thanks 20th Century Fox. But yeah, Galactus eats planets. So if a giant planet eating dude in space shows up to destroy the earth, someone's gonna remember.

Matt - CDWA (33:41)
I don't know.

Yeah, I feel like you got to see it just out of curiosity to see how they're going to pull this off. don't, I don't know. And is it going to make any like, I can't blame Marvel for moving forward with the characters they had, but like, I mean, as a comic reader, you know, the Fantastic Four and the X -Men are pretty seminal in all these events. So for them to not be there, it just breaks my comic brain a little bit, you know, like just to not have

Dave (34:22)
Mm

Matt - CDWA (34:24)
those characters there? Like how cool would it have been to, you know, in Civil War to have Reed and Sue on opposite sides and stuff like that, you know, like, it's yeah, we'll see how they pull it off and see if it makes any kind of sense more importantly. But yeah.

Dave (34:43)
So you're going to see this in theaters?

Matt - CDWA (34:45)
I would probably, I would probably see this in theaters as much as I'm sick of seeing, Pedro Pascal's face literally on everything. I would probably go see this one. Yeah.

Dave (34:57)
His name is Joel.

Matt - CDWA (34:58)
I'm in trouble.

Dave (35:00)
I'm skipping this one. I'm not going to see this in the theaters. Like Thor, Love and Thunder. Man, I'm not interested. I'll catch it on Disney+.

Matt - CDWA (35:04)
Really?

Why aren't you interested? I'm just curious.

Dave (35:14)
I don't like the Fantastic Four enough to go see them in this like 1960s setting where they're in the MCU, but you know, no one knows about them in 25, 30, 35 movies and shows like, bro, I don't buy it, man. I'm just not I'm this one out. You got to convince me otherwise.

Matt - CDWA (35:17)
And that's the...

Okay.

I mean, it's probably going to be like an origin movie too, so like, do you really need it? I don't know. I'm sure some stuff will carry over, but like, it's going to be an origin movie. It's going to be an origin movie. So like, if you're like moving forward, like, do really want to go back kind of like Captain Marvel? I don't know.

Dave (35:47)
Yeah, has to be an origin movie. Yeah. Yep.

Right. Yeah, not really. So yeah, this one's a pass for me.

Matt - CDWA (35:58)
Alright.

Dave (36:02)
I'll wait for what you tell me about it. Yeah, so we got another movie in 2025. We're getting four.

Matt - CDWA (36:03)
D+.

I probably don't even know about this one.

Dave (36:10)
November 7 2025.

Blade.

Matt - CDWA (36:17)
really? This - Yeah, it -

Dave (36:18)
directed by Basam Tariq.

I'm not even gonna attempt to pronounce this dude's name who's playing. Yes, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. So what I didn't know is that this was teased. This was teased in an eternal's post credit scene.

Matt - CDWA (36:32)
Marshall Ali Marshall Ali here a problem

Throw up the fist there. Throw up fist there. For our audio list.

Yes, I know that and I didn't even see that movie. But yes, I did.

Dave (36:51)
Yeah, I didn't know that I was so far out of Eternals, had no idea this was a thing. So what I also didn't know is this movie was supposed to come out in twenty twenty three.

Matt - CDWA (37:02)
That's... keep going, keep going.

Dave (37:04)
Yep. So they lost the original director. There were massive rewrites mid production.

Matt - CDWA (37:08)
Yup. Yup.

Dave (37:13)
And now it was then rescheduled for February 14th, 2025, and then subsequently pushed to November 7th.

Matt - CDWA (37:18)
Yeah?

Dave (37:24)
That's all I got in terms of tumultuous. Is there more? OK.

Matt - CDWA (37:27)
I mean, there's a lot of tumultuous stuff. No, I'm just like, I'm just like, this movie's never coming out because like what you said, the first incident was in 2023. And like, okay, I just, remember hearing like Marshall Ali was like, I'm in this, I'm not in this, there's directors, there's rewrites. I'm like, there's way too much smoke around this movie that I'm questioning if it's even gonna come out.

Dave (37:39)
That was supposed to release in 23.

Matt - CDWA (37:56)
Be cool!

Dave (37:56)
Seems like it is, seems like it is, I don't know. Also, I didn't know that the Ebony Blade is expected to be in this, which could mark an appearance of Dane Whitman.

Matt - CDWA (37:58)
We'll see.

Whitman and that was in the eternal's teeth. I think that was in the eternal's teeth, right?

Dave (38:15)
Yes, it was, yeah. If you don't know who Dane Whitman was, he was the Black Knight and he wielded the Ebony Blade.

Matt - CDWA (38:23)
I just know those two things. I don't know anything about the Ebony Night or the Black Night, sorry.

Dave (38:29)
Black Knight. He was an Avenger, man. In the 90s.

Matt - CDWA (38:32)
Hmm old old Avengers comics. I didn't read

Dave (38:36)
Yeah, for sure. For sure. Also... No. Just a dude with a sword.

Matt - CDWA (38:38)
Was he a time traveler or something or no? Like, was he an old, okay, to start.

Dane Whitman has a bitchin' name by the way, I don't know why. It makes me think of Christmas, I don't know why, I want to buy candy or something. Fuckin' Dane Whitman.

Dave (38:46)
Yeah, yeah, dude, the guy.

The actor playing him has a great name too, Kit Harrington.

Matt - CDWA (38:56)
dude, that's that's that's old - that's Jon Stowe, baby.

Dave (38:59)
Okay, I didn't watch Game of Thrones. Alright.

Matt - CDWA (39:01)
That's Jon Snow. That pretty mo - That pretty boy. pretty motherfu - Dane Whitman. I'm on board. I'm on board if it's Kit Harrington. I'm on board.

Dave (39:07)
So.

Also, think noteworthy is three delay, two delays, I guess, at least two delays on this movie. This is now the final movie releasing in phase five.

Matt - CDWA (39:16)
Yeah, it is like, yeah.

I feel like that movie is going to be so disconnected from everything. Like it's going to be just like a one off thing.

Dave (39:28)
have a bullet in my notes that literally just says this makes fave phase five, a really disconnected mess in my opinion. So we agree.

Matt - CDWA (39:35)
I love you. That's why we're on the same page. If we could just, we're just moving pieces around the board. This, this is not connected to anything. This is just blade and we'll, we'll, we'll bring everyone back on set and film up, film a little post credit scene and jam it in there and make it feel like it's connected, but it's not.

Dave (39:46)
Yeah.

Right, right. So, okay, any other thoughts on Blade?

Matt - CDWA (39:59)
I feel like as a black person I'm obligated to go to this movie but no. Does it come because it come out in February by any chance? Can we get a Black History Month episode out of it? Damn you Marvel. Damn you. Now it's November. We blew it. We blew it. I do like Blade. I like Wesley Snipesburg.

Dave (40:04)
Okay, obligation viewing still count. can be a yes for that reason.

No, it was supposed to remember it was supposed to come out on Valentine's Day.

Yeah.

Can you imagine if if Marvel only released movies with black protagonists in February? We already did this with Black Panther.

Matt - CDWA (40:28)
Like the black here or something.

Yes, yes, that'd be incredible.

Dave (40:38)
We can't be too obvious here. So you said it was a yes.

Matt - CDWA (40:39)
No, no, it's okay.

Like Fantastic Four actually really, like that one really excites me. I don't want to be too Homer -ish and be like, yeah, these are all sound good because they do sound, they sound good to me. Like Thunderbolts is the only one like, I feel like I've been so negative and banging on the MCU for a while. Like, yeah, I probably would, I would probably see this movie. Yeah, I would, yeah, yeah.

Dave (41:01)
Yeah, that's great. say, then say yes, you'd go see it. Fuck.

We have.

Yeah, this is a hell yes for me. I fucking love blade all that midnight sun stuff injected into my veins. If this is a gateway to get like good ghostwriter content in the MCU.

Matt - CDWA (41:21)
Go straight.

Yeah, they should lean into it.

Dave (41:26)
I'm in. Yeah. But to recap, the last four films in Phase five are Captain America, Brave New World, Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four set in the 1960s and Blade. There's not a damn thing connected in all of Phase five.

Matt - CDWA (41:43)
There is no connectivity.

Is that the way direction they should be going though?

Dave (41:50)
No. It is not.

the opposite direction.

Matt - CDWA (41:55)
Alright, fair enough.

Dave (41:59)
We saw what worked a slow build with interesting crossovers and a villain that appears ever so present in larger doses until he announces his presence and fuck shit up. Like he was he he is the reason why Loki was doing he was doing in Avengers like the stuff with Thanos was so well planned out and.

and spiderwebbed into so many corners of the MCU. And like, we just don't have any of that now. Now I'm talking about how they teased Blade at the end of Eternals, a movie I didn't bother seeing because it was the Eternals. And that's the that's the final movie in phase five. Dude, what? That's crazy.

Matt - CDWA (42:42)
You

Dab any blade? I don't know.

Dave (42:49)
OK, so moving on, we have two more with release dates and these are a little bit further out in the future. Again, there's more movies announced, but they don't have release dates. Really talking movies with the release dates. May 1st, 2026, the return of the Russo brothers to the MCU. We get Avengers Doomsday. It doesn't say explicitly that this is the first movie in Phase six, but it is Phase six.

And the only question that I have is how the fuck did we get here? We're introducing Dr. Doom with no threading, no teasing. Maybe you get something in Fantastic Four, but I don't know how that's possible because it's set in the 60s. Dude, the Fantastic Four and Dr. Doom are intertwined at a molecular level in terms of continuity and how one.

has to exist with the other, and it's weird if they don't. And I just don't understand how we're introducing Doom, played by Robert Downey Jr. in an Avengers movie with no lead up. It's mishandled.

Matt - CDWA (44:02)
My answer to that is just Robert Downey Jr. just unmasking himself and just that's how we got here. That's exactly how we got here at Comic Con. No explanation. Don't look at the man behind the curtain. Robert Downey Jr. is here. When I saw that, I was like, that's kind of cool. And then I thought about it for like five minutes and I'm like, that's the dumbest thing they've ever done. That makes no sense. So I don't know. We'll have to see how they plan it out. But it's just...

Dave (44:25)
Mm -hmm.

Matt - CDWA (44:32)
That is going to confuse some. don't know. Maybe it won't. I'm not giving people enough credit, but like my mom's going to be confused because she's like, isn't that Iron Man? Like the average person is going to be like that. don't know. Like I just exactly. Yeah. Like I just feel like that's it makes no sense.

Dave (44:42)
Mm -hmm.

Tony Stark's Doctor Doom?

Also, Dr. Doom has a fucked up face. Victor Von Doom, fucked up face. Yes, he does, he does.

Matt - CDWA (44:56)
Yes. Or does he? Or does he? That's been the argument. I don't know if I like that. I like the argument where his face isn't that messed up and he's just that vein that like he's got a tiny scar, but he's so vain that it drives him nuts.

Dave (45:08)
There are so many, there are so many times in the comics where Doom's mask is off with the perspective behind his hooded head and the characters looking at Doom's face with no mask have a horrified appearance. They're like shocked and disgusted by what they're looking at. It's not because he's pretty and has a scar. No, no, no.

Matt - CDWA (45:25)
Or maybe it's because that motherfucker is so pretty. That's a good ass looking man. Now hear me out. That look that he has on the face, those characters have on their face, is the same look when you take me to Texas barbecue. Shock astonishment. The original Roy Hutchinson.

Dave (45:33)
Look, just hear me out, okay? Hear me out.

No. No.

Let's not get litigious on the podcast. We're gonna let that play out in court. Hear me out, okay? look, I've made the headcanon for me is the dooms face is fucked up. And I plenty of examples to help back that thought up. So you could have been seeding this guy for film after film after film.

Matt - CDWA (45:54)
You

I'll hear you out. I'll hear you out.

Yeah, that's right.

Okay.

Pause. Pause.

Dave (46:19)
Come on, man, let me just make the point. The lead up to this could have been as good or better than Thanos. Seeing him shadowed, having him pull strings, know, the guy is a dictator of an entire country. There are ways that Latveria could have been woven into different movies, been antagonistic in some cases. It's such a wildly

Matt - CDWA (46:27)
Yeah.

Dave (46:49)
mishandled opportunity to introduce doom where you're just gonna like vomit him out into an Avengers movie called doomsday with like No lead -up. I god man. That just hurts my it hurts my soul because of how good the Thanos stuff happened

Matt - CDWA (47:04)
Yeah, and I feel like the Thanos stuff as well too. Like we were in the social media age, but like that was a shock because I remember like people not knowing who that was at all. And then all the comic nerds were like, it's Thanos. Like I think more people probably just general audience probably know who Dr. Doom is a little bit because of those horrible Fox movies. But that could have been an opportunity to reveal that in a very cool way. Like you're saying, and not just

Dave (47:32)
Mm -hmm.

Matt - CDWA (47:35)
In two years, we're getting this Doomsday movie that like, whatever, like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It was a blown opportunity.

Dave (47:41)
Dude, even with Kang, they did it wrong. Your average person didn't know who Kang was and he just popped up in that Loki show like it was no big deal. You we didn't tease Kang either.

Matt - CDWA (47:45)
do the - yeah.

Yeah. In a Disney plus? I don't know, man. The whole Disney plus thing, don't get me started on that. like that's not for your general audience, in my opinion. So yeah.

Dave (47:55)
I

I know. So anyway, Avengers Doomsday, you see it in theaters.

Matt - CDWA (48:06)
It's the Russo Brothers, so I'm gonna go see that. I trust them from the other movies.

Dave (48:12)
Yeah, I'm gonna see it too, but I'm not happy about it.

Matt - CDWA (48:14)
Yeah, I mean, that was like the peak. Yeah, with arms crossed. Like, you gotta go do it though.

Dave (48:17)
I'm seeing under protests.

Yeah, you're not gonna catch me crying in the theater like an endgame tell you that much Okay, one more with the date even further into the future May 7th 2027 also directed by the Russo brothers Avengers secret wars

Matt - CDWA (48:26)
Yeah.

Dave (48:41)
So Secret Wars was originally scheduled to conclude the multiverse saga and come out in 2025. It was delayed until 2026 and then delayed again until 2027. It's going to be based on both the 1984 and 2015 Secret Wars events from the comics.

Matt - CDWA (49:06)
Okay.

Dave (49:06)
And yeah, and. I'm just really confused.

Matt - CDWA (49:16)
I appreciate the honesty. very pleased.

Dave (49:19)
really confused. If you read the 2015 Secret Wars event, you'd know that Dr. Doom was the driving force behind that with that white ass costume that he was wearing, creating Battle World. I liked Secret Wars in 2015. That was a decent comic. I even read a lot of the tie ins and I liked a lot of those too. I didn't hate it.

Matt - CDWA (49:25)
That's my money.

Yep. Yeah, no, it's fine.

I honestly think that's like the end of like Marvel Comics as I know it. Like that was the ending in my opinion. Like that event was, things have been hit or miss since then, but like that was the ending of like me liking a lot of tie -ins and all that kind of stuff with events. Like that was the end.

Dave (49:52)
Very much so, very much so.

Yeah, so I have to assume that Dr. Doom will still be in Secret Wars. So, and this is just a guess, but it feels like what we're gonna do is introduce Doom in 2026 and then one year later, wrap that motherfucker up.

Why? Why?

Matt - CDWA (50:18)
because he's not an epic hero and he's not an epic villain in Marvel history or anything.

Dave (50:23)
Dude, we spent 12 years leading up to Thanos and you're gonna give me 12 months with Dr. Doom potentially. That's ridiculous. This is just me. I'm making pretty declarative statements based on an opinion that's not even based on a fact, but this is just based on what they've been doing. This is how it feels like it's gonna go.

Matt - CDWA (50:26)
Yeah?

I mean, that's, I mean, that's pretty factual. Like that movie is what? 2027. It's not going to be 12 years of build. It's going to, what are they going to do? It's going to be like maybe eight movies doubtful, probably six movies. And you know, like it's going to feel rushed. I feel like in a little bit in some way it's going to feel rushed.

Dave (51:09)
Yep. So you see this in theaters?

Matt - CDWA (51:10)
I don't know. It's Russo Brothers you have to... I'm seeing all these things in the freaking theater. I would though! I probably would! I probably would.

Dave (51:18)
So I know you would I know you would this one for me. This is a conditional one If if doomsday is good If doomsday is good, I'll go if they fuck up the introduction of dr doom, man I don't know if I'm sticking it out for like a full year of movies to go see this in the theater. Maybe I don't know

Matt - CDWA (51:24)
no... Okay, okay.

You're out. You're out, dude. You're gonna fire up the old movies like me. You're out.

Dave (51:39)
Maybe, yeah, maybe. So there's also some movies that we know less about. They don't have release dates yet. I want to just do some quick hits on these. We're getting a movie called Armor Wars. It was originally a Disney plus show. It's been since transitioned into a movie. It focuses on roadie roads, a war machine trying to honor Tony's legacy.

Matt - CDWA (51:48)
Okay.

Mmm.

Dave (52:08)
Don Cheadle is in his 60s.

Can we please, if there has to be a maximum age for you to play an action hero in a superhero movie, there has to be.

Matt - CDWA (52:19)
Tom Cruise can do it, Tom Cruise can do it, so there's no, we're good here. he sure made, he sure made, he still.

Dave (52:25)
Don Cheadle ain't no Tom Cruise. That man looks stiff.

Thank God he's in a suit of armor.

Matt - CDWA (52:34)
my my is this movie coming out in February?

Dave (52:40)
There's no release date for these that we're talking about now. Armour Wars was a comic. Yeah, it was a comic crossover event.

Matt - CDWA (52:44)
I'm the SOS. I will not be seeing this. Especially if it was a Disney Plus show. No, not at all. Nope. Not interested.

Dave (52:50)
No, same. Yeah.

Yep. We're also getting strong chi to.

Matt - CDWA (53:01)
I didn't see Shang -Chi Yuan. Just was busy, a busy time. I wanted to see it. I thought it looked cool. But that probably could also be Disney Plus filler for me. Like, I don't know.

Dave (53:03)
I did. In theaters.

Yeah, I didn't. I didn't love the first one enough to watch the second one, if I'm being honest. We're also going to get a fourth Tom Holland Spider -Man movie. And another MCU Spider -Man trilogy, they don't say if Tom Holland is going to be in those, I'm assuming no. So I don't know if it's a recast or if we're going to pass the torch to maybe a Miles Morales Spider -Man. Who knows? I have loved the Tom Holland movies.

Matt - CDWA (53:21)
Yeah.

Got you.

I'm in for anything, Spider -Man. Like, I'm gonna go see that.

Dave (53:46)
I. Yeah, it's the Tom Holland Spider -Man movies are literally the only good thing that Sony has done with the license in terms of movies. Live action movies into the spider versus its own thing doesn't it's not in this conversation.

Matt - CDWA (54:00)
I really liked the third movie because like, was not just, not because of all like the cameos and stuff, but I liked how that movie like literally that those three movies were like his origin story to becoming like Peter, like that whole ending. just really liked that. I was like, this doesn't make sense. Tony Stark, XYZ. And then like, that was like the origin movie that tied all of it together. So I didn't like how they, I liked how they did that. So.

Dave (54:04)
No way home.

I loved how that ended too, with Doctor Strange wiping everyone's memory of who Peter really is.

Matt - CDWA (54:28)
Yeah, yep, yep. And he was just like, he was Spider -Man. He's down on his luck and like, yeah, I hope they like continue on from there, whether they recast Tom Holland or whatever, whatever they.

Dave (54:42)
I mean, feel like if they could do three more movies with him as adult Peter, you know, like, why not? Yeah. So those are only good.

Matt - CDWA (54:44)
think they could too. think they could too. Yeah. There's always some obnoxious like, is he gonna come back? There was always something up in the air with that. Just lock him down for the movies, but he's got Uncharted movies to make too now, I didn't see it, but it's on my list. Yeah.

Dave (55:02)
He does he does I like that. I like that Uncharted movie though. It was fun It was a fun film as far as video game adaptations go. It's one of the best Yeah, so that's it for movies that I could find Moving on to some Disney plus shows that are MCU tie -ins and Boy, let me this shit is all over the place. I mean all over the place I mean some of it is like really fun and exciting and some of it is like

Matt - CDWA (55:11)
Okay. I love me some Uncharted.

We

Dave (55:32)
The most head scratching why are we doing this type of shit I could imagine Agatha all along which I just said just came out Agatha Harkness

Matt - CDWA (55:37)
Okay.

Dave (55:45)
It's an interesting character in the comics. I don't love how they introduced her in WandaVision.

Matt - CDWA (55:47)
whole series. I don't know about that dog. I don't know about that dog. I did like her, but I'm like, don't if I'm sitting for a whole series of that.

Dave (55:50)
Yeah, I don't either. Yeah. You're gonna love this one. A Black Panther prequel series.

Matt - CDWA (56:02)
I'm gonna have to watch that. I'm have to watch that.

Dave (56:05)
I don't know how I feel about that.

Matt - CDWA (56:07)
Is it his dad? Is it Tachaka? I don't know. I love me some Black Panther lore.

Dave (56:09)
I don't know. I don't know. I no idea.

Yes, daredevil born again. Yep. Sign me up for that. Yep. I don't need to see any of it. I'm in all the way in. Yeah. iron heart.

Matt - CDWA (56:16)
Yes. I haven't even seen any of the I've seen bits and pieces. I want to be ground floor on that one. Yeah, that sounds like it doesn't matter. So yeah, I'm good. I'm in on that.

possibly, but probably not, if I'm being real. Yeah.

Dave (56:31)
Yeah, I ain't watching that. Wonder Man.

Matt - CDWA (56:35)
Mmm, probably not.

Dave (56:36)
Yeah, same. Because they're going to be origins. They're going be origins in the six episode origin. Don't need it. I don't even want to watch a two hour origin movie. Now you're going to make a six hour origin show. Fuck off.

Matt - CDWA (56:40)
And then, yeah.

A of this is going to depend, like, they could pull me back, because if the MCU is exciting again, it could pull me in, but like, the ones I'm saying no to, like right now, no, it's too much, it's gotta be a carry. Okay.

Dave (56:55)
Yeah, it's too much. There's more. There's more shows. We're only halfway through. What if season three? Yeah, I haven't watched season two yet. Marvel zombies.

Matt - CDWA (57:03)
No, I don't care about that.

Possibly.

Dave (57:09)
Hey, I'm 50 -50.

Matt - CDWA (57:10)
Animation animation will be like 30 minute episodes. So yeah.

Dave (57:13)
Yeah, Vision Quest.

Matt - CDWA (57:17)
If Paul Bettany is back, possibly. Okay.

Dave (57:19)
I believe so. I believe this is following the white vision post Wanda vision where he went. The white vision is white dudes white. Sorry, I'm sorry that my enunciation wasn't pleasing for you.

Matt - CDWA (57:23)
Okay. So white so hard, but yeah, possibly. White, white, white fish. Yeah.

Keep your colored visions high.

Dave (57:37)
That's not what I said. That's not what I said.

ridiculous. There's another Wakanda series in the works. So in addition to the Black Panther prequel, something else that's set in Wakanda, we don't know what

Matt - CDWA (57:52)
I like Wakanda,

Dave (57:54)
Yeah, I mean, you know, there's you can oversaturate is it's you can absolutely oversaturate.

Matt - CDWA (58:00)
I'm predisposed to like Wakanda.

Dave (58:05)
Come on, I'm glad we're audio only now. Although my point you just did on TikTok.

Matt - CDWA (58:06)
You should put that on the video.

Bye.

Dave (58:15)
And then last and certainly not least this one I'm actually really excited about if they do it right Nova

Matt - CDWA (58:22)
I'll probably watch that. If they give it a budget, dick red.

Dave (58:24)
Asterisk. Asterisk. I am only in for Nova if it is my guy Dick Ryder.

Matt - CDWA (58:30)
But he is.

Dave (58:32)
If Dick Ryder is not Nova, I ain't interested. Don't give me that 15 year old Sam kid. I don't want that.

Matt - CDWA (58:37)
Yeah. Yeah. No, that could be good. So that's... We get it. We get it, Dave. Please move on, we get it. Thank you.

Dave (58:41)
I want Richard Dickrider.

I still like saying it. I'm glad you said that because I have three dishonorable mentions. You know how Sony just like won't stop beating the dead horse that is creating movies based on villains from Spider -Man? Yeah, so there's more coming.

Matt - CDWA (58:53)
Okay.

Yes.

Who? I... Okay.

Dave (59:08)
We're going to have a jackpot movie.

Matt - CDWA (59:11)
Isn't that Mary Jane?

Dave (59:13)
No. So Jackpot has been two different characters, both villains. Mary Jane did have powers for a while. I don't think she went by Jackpot. Or if she did, that version of Jackpot is not what the film is based off of. It's the villain. We're also getting Hypno Hustler starring Donald Glover.

Matt - CDWA (59:18)
Okay.

Sure. Okay.

Okay. Okay.

Absolutely not. I like Donald Glover, absolutely not.

Dave (59:38)
You don't remember the famous Spider -Man villain Hypno Hustler? Yeah, neither does anybody else. Even more ridiculous than the Hypno Hustler is a villain from Spider -Man called El Muerto.

Matt - CDWA (59:41)
No, no I don't. No.

He's like a luchador.

Dave (59:53)
We're going to get an El Muerto movie as well from Sony. Guess who's starring in that?

Matt - CDWA (59:59)
I'm gonna say Pedro Pascal.

Dave (1:00:02)
Bad Bunny.

Matt - CDWA (1:00:04)
The buddy wrestled pretty good in WWE and as a WWE guy, I will not be seeing this movie. I can't do this.

Dave (1:00:11)
I don't see anything that Sony makes. They're not good movies. Sorry. They're shit. Even the Venom movies.

Matt - CDWA (1:00:17)
No crave. Wow. He's gone in.

Dave (1:00:21)
Don't care. The only you know I I hate that so much because.

Matt - CDWA (1:00:26)
that they're just, yeah, you never are a fan of that.

Dave (1:00:29)
The only reason that they're doing this is because if they don't continually pump out content, they lose the license and they will not lose the license. They refuse. So they're pump out shit after shit after shit.

Matt - CDWA (1:00:37)
Yeah.

I don't know how many else Sony can keep taking though. Like, many else? Yeah. It's just a nutrition game, I guess.

Dave (1:00:53)
I mean, they've got to be. They've got to be making so much money on the actual Spider -Man features that they can afford to take literal L's in terms of profitability on these other films, because there's no way these like Madame Web do those on streaming like the same weekend.

Matt - CDWA (1:00:55)
of some quality.

Yeah, it's worth it. Else.

I was just gonna ask you, they make, I was like, did they make that Madame Webb movie? That was what I was just about to ask you.

Dave (1:01:14)
Morbius, Madame Web, Venom. They want to do a Sinister Six movie. I just saw the previews for the Craven the Hunter movie. Like, why? Why are we doing this?

Matt - CDWA (1:01:20)
gosh, we're in

ruin the sinister sex. Interesting.

Dave (1:01:31)
Like how dumb do you have to be to think that people want to see a connected universe of Spider -Man villain movies with no Spider -Man?

Matt - CDWA (1:01:37)
Nobody wants to see that. Yeah, nobody wants to see that. Did it where they kind of just loosely allude to it? Nobody wants to see that.

Dave (1:01:40)
Like, what are you doing?

Right? Yeah. Like such a joke. Anyway, that's it. Those are my dishonorable mentions. And that's all we got.

Matt - CDWA (1:01:50)
Sounds good. That was good. That went much longer than I thought it was going to go. I sure did. That was good. I liked that though.

Dave (1:01:54)
I know you thought it was going to be quick. You were wrong. Got you. Got you. Yeah, you know what? Maybe maybe this some of this stuff will bring me back to the MCU, but I really need I need something that feels connected the way that the first three phases that culminated with end game made me feel. And unless I get something that's similar to that, I don't think I'm back full time. I'm just dabbling in the characters that I like, and that's it.

Matt - CDWA (1:02:20)
No. Exactly. I feel like the only thing that could do that would be like if they legit just did like an X -Men universe and did like X -Men movies, like I would watch that we're building to something, but.

Dave (1:02:33)
Yeah, same.

Matt - CDWA (1:02:35)
I like you might get a recast, what is it, not Doomsday, but, Secret Wars, you're probably gonna get a recast of all the characters and that could potentially be interesting, but who knows. Do you think the X -Men sneak in here somewhere? Or, no?

Dave (1:02:43)
Maybe. Yeah.

I don't know, man, we decided to introduce mutants in the Ms. Marvel Disney Plus show, so all bets are off at this point.

Matt - CDWA (1:02:56)
Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Maybe that's... Yep.

Dave (1:02:58)
We've lost our way. But who knows, maybe some of these movies will be good. I am excited about some of the stuff we talked about, genuinely excited, and we'll see it. Huh?

Matt - CDWA (1:03:05)
The 2025 slate seems okay. The 2025 slate seems okay to me, like with Thunderbolts being the low point, but if the trailer is any indication, that movie will be fine. And I'm pretty negative about the MCU, so like I think it's okay. I don't know, we'll see. Only time will tell.

Dave (1:03:10)
Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, we will. All right. Well, if you're keeping score at home, you did not get a boys episode in September. So we're going to double up boys in October and get you twice as much boys content as you've ever asked for in one month. That too, I also kind of want to do something that's a little spooky themed. Maybe we get a little, a little quick epi out there in between.

Matt - CDWA (1:03:41)
more than you ever need.

house.

Dave (1:03:51)
Boys episodes, I don't know. See if we can muster. We'll talk offline.

Matt - CDWA (1:03:53)
Doing the same thing.

We should do that.

Dave (1:03:58)
You know, I said that in my personal life the work meeting style. Yeah All right. Well, hey, thanks for checking out another episode of the comic dudes We appreciate all of you that are with us every other week or every three weeks or whatever cadence we happen to be on

Matt - CDWA (1:03:59)
You sure did. Well, I'll circle back to you.

We'll get back on schedule. Someday.

Dave (1:04:18)
Someday. Until then, my name is Dave. Thanks everybody. Take care of yourselves. Bye bye.

Matt - CDWA (1:04:23)
And I'm out.

Peace.

Dave (1:04:32)
Wonder how long I've been out of focus.

Matt - CDWA (1:04:34)
You're popping in and out.

Dave (1:04:36)
Great. Well, that's gonna make putting anything on TikTok from this episode challenging. Now I'm back.

Matt - CDWA (1:04:41)
No, you better put that Wakanda shit up.

Dave (1:04:43)
I'll do my best. Yeah, we got to figure out when we're doing this next boys episode, but we can talk in the discord. I, got to run. I'm sorry. I can't stay in chat, but, we'll, we'll talk soon ish. I'm sure. Keep your head up. Love you. Bye.