83: The X-Men '97 Show Makes Us So Happy

Summary
In this episode of Comic Dudes, the hosts discuss the newly resurrected X-Men 97 animated series on Disney+.  The conversation covers various topics related to the X-Men 97 animated series, including the costumes, the source material, the controversy surrounding the show's creator, and the target audience. They also discuss references and appearances of characters like Goldballs and X-cutioner. The conversation touches on the X-Men animated series from the 90s and its writing for kids. Overall, they are pleasantly surprised by the show and plan to continue watching it.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Plugs
01:54 X-Men 97 and Spoiler Warning
03:05 Nostalgia and the Resurrection of X-Men 97
04:19 Debate: Is X-Men 97 the Best Version of the X-Men?
07:37 Discovery: X-Men 97 is a Continuation of the 90s Animated Series
09:38 Controversy: The Character Morph
11:20 Diversity and Inclusion in X-Men 97
15:12 Magneto's Helmet and Emotional Protection
17:49 X-Men 200 and Costumes
18:44 X-Men Legacy and Source Material
19:12 Bo DeMaio and Show's Direction
20:22 Controversy and Disney
21:13 Adult Themes and Target Audience
22:26 Gold Balls and Executioner
23:27 Morph and Cable
24:09 X-Men Animated Series and Writing for Kids
25:47 Genosha and Extinction Agenda
28:41 Favorite X-Men Stories
29:48 Pleasantly Surprised and Marvel Train
30:18 Pivoting to X-Men 97
31:25 Bi-Weekly Schedule and Moving
32:21 Appreciation for Listeners

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Transcript

Morph Hater (00:03.86)
Welcome back to the Comic Dudes, a podcast about comic books and comic book related things. My name is Dave with me as always, my esteemed co -host Matt. Matt, how are we?

Matt - CDWA (00:15.758)
Dave, I'm feeling excellent today.

Morph Hater (00:18.752)
Did you emphasize the X on purpose?

Matt - CDWA (00:21.358)
I definitely would not do that on purpose. Yes, I did that on purpose. Yes, I did that on purpose, of course. I'm in my dad humor mode today, so.

Morph Hater (00:24.896)
Feels like something you would do. Okay, good. Okay. I love that for you. I love that for you. All right. So, before we get into it, I'll do my usual plugs. You can follow us on Twitter. Our Twitter handles will be in the description of this episode. You can also follow us on Instagram and on TikTok. We post exclusive content on both of those platforms, Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and sometimes on Saturday.

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Matt - CDWA (01:21.038)
I love it.

Morph Hater (01:23.008)
So do I. Today, we're going to be talking about X -Men 97. If you don't know what X -Men 97 is, Marvel just resurrected the 90s X -Men animated series on Disney+. We're both really stoked about it. We're going to talk about the first two episodes. Disclaimer time. There will be spoilers for the X -Men 97 cartoon show from here on out. So if you plan on watching it and you don't want to hear what happens in it, you should leave now.

Otherwise, we will likely spoil something for you. Also, there is a third episode out now. I don't know if you knew that. Yeah, it's Wednesday is when new episodes come out. Makes sense. New comic book day. It's kind of cool.

Matt - CDWA (01:59.15)
There is. Yeah, there is.

Matt - CDWA (02:06.062)
I didn't make that connection. That is true. That is true.

Morph Hater (02:09.312)
One last disclaimer, if you've listened to our review episodes before where we've talked about movies that we've watched, we kind of follow the same format of our Let's Read episodes for those. We're not doing that today. This is going to be just a loose conversation. These are only 30 minute episodes. Didn't feel like we needed to bucket everything into good, bad and hot takes or whatever else. So we're just going to we're going to talk about the X -Men. We're both wearing X -Men shirts, which you you'll.

Matt - CDWA (02:35.982)
Unfortunately...

Morph Hater (02:38.848)
You can see them if you go to Instagram and Tik Tok, because we'll definitely be posting some content from this episode. But anyway, before we get going, I just got to do one thing to to set off our conversation.

Matt - CDWA (03:05.006)
Mmm. It feels so good. It feels so good. So, uh, we'll get there. We'll get... We can get there. We can get there. So, Dave.

Morph Hater (03:06.816)
So good. They kept the intro, but they modernized it.

Morph Hater (03:17.12)
Yes.

Matt - CDWA (03:19.022)
As someone who calls it like I see it, you know I've been off of Marvel and Disney and all that for like a number of years. And it took my esteemed co -host longer than most, but he also got to where I got. He hung on. Dave hung on much. He did a much better job hanging on. But please see episode 170. No, the fatigue episode is one of my favorites, but whatever.

Morph Hater (03:28.8)
I do.

Morph Hater (03:46.398)
170 we're not even in the 100s yet. We're still in double digits. This is like 83 or something

Matt - CDWA (03:47.022)
No, I know. I know. I know. Yeah, it was like, yeah, it was like episode whatever. But we ultimately got fatigued. When I heard they announced this show, I was like, this is my last shot. I'm gonna give it one more shot. Dave, this, as someone who has shit on Disney for like three years, I gotta give them their flowers here. This, these two episodes, bro, this, this was, this is special. Like that first episode, I was like,

This is special.

Morph Hater (04:18.208)
Yeah, it's pretty, pretty, pretty good.

Matt - CDWA (04:21.038)
Pretty good. So I just want to start with one question real quick. Why is this the best version of the X -Men and it's not up for debate? Why is this the best grouping of X -Men that there is? There's no other options. You cannot deviate. Why is this the best group?

Morph Hater (04:40.352)
I one I actually don't I don't agree that it's the best team of X -Men. But it's the best iteration of the X -Men. Yes, era era wise. Yes, it is the best. I have several hypotheses for why this era is the best. It was at the height of mutant popularity at Marvel. In the 90s, comic books were so overprinted and oversaturated. And if something was popular, the big two just shoved it down your throat.

Matt - CDWA (04:43.694)
Error. Yes, error.

Morph Hater (05:09.76)
At the same time, all of those really popular artists that went and formed Image Comics, you know, guys like Eric Larson, Todd McFarland, Jim Lee, Will Sportaccio, all those guys, at some point they were doing some X -Men comics. You had a perfect storm of comic book fever, X -Men fever, the most talented people in the comics industry drawing and potentially writing these comics.

Perfect Storm. And we are the right age group where this type of nostalgia play works on us, I don't know, almost every time.

Matt - CDWA (05:43.726)
Yeah.

Morph Hater (05:50.624)
That's why I think.

Matt - CDWA (05:51.47)
I'm curious to see some statistics. I don't think we're gonna get demographic information, but I saw just on my Twitter feed that this had broke all kinds of records and I did pull one stat. It had four million views for the first two episodes. That's a lot. Within a week. So this is definitely a popular show. Probably one of the most popular, well.

probably since What If, the most popular animated show, I would have to say for sure. But honestly, watching this show, like when I was sitting up on the couch the first night I watched it, like we, I think we had actually played like Fortnite or something. I was like, I was going to watch the, you know, watch the first episode and see how this goes after. And like, I kid you not, like when the opening came on, like I felt like I was like a kid in the nineties again. Like I really, and I haven't felt,

Morph Hater (06:24.288)
Yeah, definitely.

Matt - CDWA (06:49.102)
That way, like probably ever in a long time, but like the last thing that was like really that special was like end game to me. Like when I called you like immediately after watching that movie, I'm like, dude, this is, this is special. Um.

Morph Hater (07:03.744)
Yeah, I watched it in bed last night. The first episode I watched episode two tonight while we were eating dinner. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I was so great. I was instantly hooked. There's so much cool stuff that they packed into these two episodes. And I don't know if we want to just get into some of that cool stuff or if you want to if there's any more like overarching questions you want answers to.

Matt - CDWA (07:07.406)
Did you really?

Matt - CDWA (07:21.036)
Yeah, you -

Matt - CDWA (07:27.022)
No, I'll ask one other question later. Well, I might have two other questions later, but no, let's get into it. Like.

Morph Hater (07:31.72)
Okay.

Morph Hater (07:36.48)
So I didn't quite realize, and this is partially just because I don't pay super close attention to the news sometimes, particularly with Marvel.

Matt - CDWA (07:44.59)
Which you should, which you should not. You're living it the right way. I'm living it the wrong way, admittedly, so.

Morph Hater (07:51.2)
Yeah, I don't care too much about what Marvel is doing these days. So this got announced, what, like a year ago or something? It was a while ago and I was like, oh, that seems cool. But, you know, I can also just watch the X -Men nineties cartoon because I have a Disney plus subscription. Well, I my my girlfriend does. I don't. But I use hers. So I didn't really I didn't see a need for this show. What I didn't know was happening was that this takes place in.

Matt - CDWA (07:58.062)
Yeah, yep.

Morph Hater (08:20.896)
that same cartoon universe and it is a continuation of that show. And that blew my mind. It took me a minute to figure it out, but when I did, I think it was probably near the end of the first episode.

Matt - CDWA (08:37.582)
You're in shock. He is in shock in bed.

Morph Hater (08:41.152)
Well, so I, I, I assumed that we were just picking up where we left off at some point, but I wasn't sure if this was like, I'm supposed to just accept that professor X was killed because I don't remember in the nineties. I don't know if he actually died then or not. I was just like, okay, this is a new take. Like I can accept it. Professor X is dead. Okay, whatever. But then at the end, when Jubilee is talking to, uh, to Roberto, um, and she says that.

Matt - CDWA (08:46.774)
Yeah.

Matt - CDWA (08:54.35)
I don't remember that.

That's what I was going to ask you as well. Yeah.

Morph Hater (09:11.23)
She joined the team kind of the same way because she got saved by the X -Men in a shopping mall because sentinels were after her. Then I realized, oh, this is the same stuff. This is awesome.

Matt - CDWA (09:25.038)
And as you know, loyal listeners of this podcast, Dave loves continuity and this, this has continuity in it.

Morph Hater (09:31.218)
Indeed I do.

Morph Hater (09:37.632)
It sure does. It sure does. I will say one piece of continuity I would have been okay with updating was getting rid of morph.

Matt - CDWA (09:38.734)
I'm sorry.

Matt - CDWA (09:48.494)
I think there's some reasons why they have morph, which we can also get into a little bit later.

Morph Hater (09:55.904)
Okay. Kill him again. Just kill him. He died in the original. I remember he died in the original or they thought he died. Then he came back. Just kill. Kill him again. You know what? You know what's burned in my memory from that original, that original series? Yes. Wolverine yelling for morph. Like they are best friends or something. Like one, Wolverine has maybe three friends and it wouldn't be a dude named Morph.

Matt - CDWA (10:04.334)
That's what - yeah, like, I don't know how he came back, but...

Yeah, an amorphous - Oh! Scream, Howie.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Morph Hater (10:25.15)
That guy would not be his that they would not be and I I recognize that this isn't like the classic version of morph because he always has that goofy white face That's not a that's not like a It's not an ethnicity thing his face is white like the chameleon like the spider and fill in the chameleon, but that's the version of morph I don't know if you know this I have to probably fact -check myself later. Someone else can fact -check me. I am pretty sure

Matt - CDWA (10:33.102)
Yeah, white face.

Morph Hater (10:50.208)
That version of morph is the one that is in the exiles comic book where blink leads a team with saber tooth and morph and a few other mutant characters that they kind of jump around through the time stream fixing things. That version of morph from exiles is the one I think is in X -Men 97, but maybe something happened in the original show that turned that morph into a, this version of morph. I don't know. I just remember how dumb that was when Wolverine was yelling his name.

Matt - CDWA (10:55.086)
Okay.

Morph Hater (11:19.712)
Then he came back and he had those ass eyes with a big black ring throughout and they're sunk in. Stupid character. Absolute stupid character. You have shape changing mutants already. You didn't have to create this one.

Matt - CDWA (11:22.07)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Matt - CDWA (11:33.314)
Oh my gosh. Um, uh, do I, I don't, we shouldn't go, we shouldn't go there right now. Um, whatever, we can go there. So I think I'll go to the, I'll go to the, my heavy part about this. So for whatever reason, um, you know, I've had my complaints about like some diversity and inclusion things and, and, and media. And I think sometimes it's pushed a lot harder than it necessarily needs to be. X. No, no.

Morph Hater (11:40.512)
What? Why?

Who cares, man?

Okay.

Morph Hater (11:59.264)
We know you don't have to keep telling us that you don't have to disclaimer every time we know.

Matt - CDWA (12:02.422)
X -Men is the perfect conduit for this. There were messages that I definitely picked up on and they worked because it's the X -Men and it's the perfect conduit. The reason I'm going here is because Morph, there's this big controversy, which you're not online seeing the back and forth between people because Morph is non -binary. So like people are losing their mind. Some people on the right wing are like losing their mind about it. It's like, dude, like,

Morph Hater (12:29.6)
Of course they are.

Matt - CDWA (12:32.718)
I hear you to some extent, this is not the conduit for the, this is, if there was ever a non -binary character, it would be morph. Like this is not the conduit for that people.

Morph Hater (12:42.752)
I mean, based on the way his powers work, I'm pretty sure he could just remove his genitals at any time.

Matt - CDWA (12:45.55)
Yeah.

Matt - CDWA (12:50.766)
Exactly. So I will have some concerns if we do the Kerkoan era where Wolverine and Cyclops are in a love triangle together with Jean, which has never been ever, you know, that that's the kind of stuff when you break a character fundamentally. That's when I get upset. Little stuff like Morph. Like that totally makes sense for me. But that's why I'm like, they're not going to kill Morph, dude. That's that's that's why they're not going to kill Morph. Just to see you to you. Sorry.

Morph Hater (13:17.696)
That's a shame.

Matt - CDWA (13:19.96)
We'll get another character.

Morph Hater (13:21.792)
That for those that don't ever look at our video content on Instagram or TikTok, I feel like this is the right time to tell you that in the recording software that we use, when you join our studio to record, you can pick what your name is, like what your name displays as on screen for everybody else in the studio with you. My name today is Morph Hater. And now I wish I hadn't done that.

Matt - CDWA (13:31.854)
You

Matt - CDWA (13:46.478)
I think so.

Morph Hater (13:47.136)
That's now. Now I feel like I've inadvertently painted a target on my back.

Matt - CDWA (13:51.726)
I try to not see race, but I'm just gonna say, man, as a white dude, you're looking kind of friends of humanity here, and you didn't even know it. Little friends of humanity.

Morph Hater (14:00.032)
I know. This is very disappointing. This is very disappointing for me specifically. I don't like this.

Matt - CDWA (14:06.802)
Yeah, this is gonna come back and haunt you for a while. So, no.

Morph Hater (14:11.328)
I am I am the I am at the forefront of diversity and inclusion. I am so I am so liberal minded and inclusive I am I am for Everybody living exactly the way that they want to live without any sort of fear of judgment or fear of not being accepted for who they are and who they wish to be known as

Matt - CDWA (14:16.174)
You are so much more about it than I am. So about it.

Matt - CDWA (14:26.478)
Everything.

Matt - CDWA (14:37.614)
Yep. But you're, you're too self -gain.

Morph Hater (14:41.76)
So let's not let the name distract from who I am at my core, please. I beg of you, be kind, be merciful.

Matt - CDWA (14:49.998)
loyal editor clip this please clip that clip i need that clip up on uh social for us so love it but uh

Morph Hater (14:55.136)
Don't appeal to the editor. Our chief content officer still answers to me. I still have final approval on the social media cuts.

Matt - CDWA (15:07.342)
In closing, that friends of humanity, it kind of resonates nowadays more than ever did, huh? Sure did. There's some stuff going on. I'll just leave it at that. I was just like, there's some, there's some truth there, but yeah, that was good. Dude, I really liked the line. I think it's an episode two and I never heard it this way. Maybe this was in the comic or something. This was when Magneto is meeting with the X -Men and he talks about,

Morph Hater (15:11.936)
It does, honestly, yeah.

Matt - CDWA (15:36.11)
the reason he wears the helmet. And it's not so much that like Charles is like in his mind trying to control his mind. It's like he doesn't want, they have like a link and a psychic, like a love as friends together. And like, he doesn't want Charles's mind in there cause he knows kind of what he is doing is wrong. And like, he doesn't want Charles's thoughts in his mind because in his core, he knows it's wrong, but he's still doing it anyway. That's, that's how I read it.

Like he would think otherwise from maybe not even wrong, but he would think otherwise or think twice about how he is going about doing things. And I was like, damn, that is like a good line. Like in the video games and everything, it's like he wears the helmet so he can't get attacked, but it's really more emotional than that. And I loved, like I loved that line. Really stuck with me.

Morph Hater (16:06.08)
Yeah, no, no, that's you're right.

Morph Hater (16:29.728)
Let me Let me be me for a second here. I'm sorry. I'm preemptively gonna apologize for this take It was that he wasn't telling the whole X -Men team that it was just rogue. It was in rogue went to visit him in Charles office Yeah, that's a weird retcon for me Because that is why he wears the helmet it's to prevent psychic attacks not just from Charles but from gene and all other psychic -powered mutants so while that is like

Matt - CDWA (16:32.91)
Yeah, they're good.

Matt - CDWA (16:40.59)
It was real. Yep. Yep.

Matt - CDWA (16:51.086)
Yeah, yes.

Morph Hater (16:59.878)
Cool little Soft spot story to tell to humanize magneto I get that we have to humanize magneto and soften this guy up if we're gonna accept him as the leader of the X -Men now I Get that It's still kind of a weird retcon

Matt - CDWA (17:15.566)
I think he still wears it for that protection, but that's probably also like a... Oh yeah. No, he is... Yeah.

Morph Hater (17:18.656)
He doesn't wear it in this entire episode or either of these episodes. He's never, he'd never puts the helmet on. He leaves it on the shelf. He doesn't even, even when he saves that, that Ferris wheel of kids or whatever in the beginning of episode two, he doesn't have a helmet on, does he?

Matt - CDWA (17:34.83)
No, I don't think no, I don't think he does. It's just white hair and Magneto. But.

Morph Hater (17:38.176)
Yeah, I do love the, I do love the costume though. The big M that's like a correct me if I'm wrong, but that's like 2000s early 2010s Magneto.

Matt - CDWA (17:42.094)
The mi - yeah.

Matt - CDWA (17:46.542)
Like X -Men.

Earlier than that, like, X -Men 200 I think is like the trial of Magneto. Please correct me if I'm wrong, audience. No, that's on the cover of X -Men 200, I wanna say.

Morph Hater (17:55.616)
that, but that costume, right? I'm talking costume.

Oh, okay. All right, fair enough.

Matt - CDWA (18:05.262)
I think they had a similar costume in like the 90s, yeah, X -Men 200.

Morph Hater (18:08.544)
I don't know my X -Men history all that well. If it's before the 90s, the late 90s, I probably don't know about it.

Matt - CDWA (18:16.974)
Yeah, that was like 80s. Like I've just listened to a lot of podcasts, as you and I know, about like X -Men. And I've read a lot of the original, not the Claremont run. I haven't read the whole thing, but I was reading that at one point. So I got a lot of that X -Men history. And like, like you said, there's just like, there's a lot of that in this show. And you don't even have to go that deep when you kind of got me into comics in like the 2000s.

There was a book called X -Men Legacy, and it was about, like, a lot of it was, like, Magneto and Rogue. And to see that on the screen, like, I was like, yo, this dude, if there was one thing apparent about this, so the show writer's name was Bo DeMaio, just FYI, for the first season. You can tell he knew the source material, and they knew the assignment overall when they did this show. They, so far, so far.

Morph Hater (18:47.84)
Remember that.

Morph Hater (19:10.272)
I love that.

Matt - CDWA (19:12.174)
So far, it could go off the rails a little bit later, but so far, these people know the assignment. I'm not gonna, unfortunately, one of my negatives about this show thus far is Bo DeMille has been removed from this show. He had a pretty explicit OnlyFans apparently that Disney didn't know about. So they have removed him from the project. The good thing though, from my research is he's done season one and two, so we should at least have two good seasons. But...

Morph Hater (19:27.072)
Mmm.

Morph Hater (19:42.272)
Man, why is Disney like this?

Matt - CDWA (19:42.478)
Outside of that, outside of that, I don't know.

Morph Hater (19:46.502)
Who cares? Who cares? This show isn't even for kids! It's made for grown men!

Matt - CDWA (19:53.23)
And the best part about it, like, which I really appreciate about him, we talked about the whole diversity stuff, he is a gay black man. So I'm like, we finally get a guy who can write it tactfully and get those themes and messages in, and he's the one that gets removed. So who knows where it's going to go from here, but like, he clearly, the messaging is there. He knows the assignment, knows the lore. And I'm just like, dude, like, I really hope this show doesn't go off the rails at some point. And, and.

Morph Hater (20:21.536)
like 17 minutes ago you said you had to take a take all the hate for Disney back because of the show and now now we're back on him we're back on hate in Disney. Not hating him I'm hating him.

Matt - CDWA (20:22.062)
I'm gonna look silly after this.

Matt - CDWA (20:28.302)
I know, dude.

I'm not hate, we're good right now. We're good right now. We're, oh, you're hating them. I was like, we're good right now until it goes, it's got to really go off the rails, but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. We'll see.

Morph Hater (20:42.336)
Like it took them so long to make a move on that dude that plays Kang for like beating a woman. This man just had sex on camera and we're like, no, no, you're done. You're out of here. That's ridiculous. Yeah, for an animated show that is clearly aimed at adults, that is written like it is made for adults, who the target audience are people who watch the show in the 90s, AKA,

Matt - CDWA (20:49.198)
Yeah, like yeah, literally.

yeah yeah yeah for an animated shit like i don't know yeah

Yeah.

Yes. Yes.

Morph Hater (21:12.776)
Adults.

Matt - CDWA (21:15.022)
We can't be adults here. If you didn't find, but yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Morph Hater (21:16.64)
I would have never known that about him if Disney hadn't fired him for it happening. You know what I mean? Like I'm not out here trying to figure out who does what in their personal lives, unless what they're doing is like morally wrong, like beating a woman.

Matt - CDWA (21:32.27)
What you're gonna find out about on the news though.

Morph Hater (21:34.592)
Right. I mean, you would hope that that would get found out and dealt with, but you know, I'm sure it happens and we don't find out about it. I am positive that Hollywood is full of abusers in all of their many forms that we will never, ever find out about. Positive. But yeah, let's hang this guy out to dry because he was doing something consensual in public. Fuck off.

Matt - CDWA (21:44.302)
Yes. Yes.

Matt - CDWA (21:57.102)
the best way to live your life is like how you are and like how most people are. I am a bit of a minutian. So I'd like know all these weird things that I shouldn't know. I'm a minutian for sure. Like exactly, like most people would not even know about, no one cares. No one even know. Like I wouldn't have known about it unless they fired him. And then I was like, oh, well why'd they fire this dude? And I'm like, oh, really? So there could be more to what he was doing on OnlyFans, but it sounded like dude was at the gym with his shirt off working out.

Morph Hater (22:11.72)
No. No. No!

Matt - CDWA (22:26.062)
had some spicy stuff and it's like, we gotta get rid of them. Like, all right, man, like whatever. Yeah, like not even, not, not to my knowledge, not even like consensual sex, just like kind of erotic pictures.

Morph Hater (22:29.6)
That's it?

Morph Hater (22:37.856)
We're fired people for lewds now? Come on. Come on.

Matt - CDWA (22:40.628)
Yeah, back to X -Men. We've been talking about loons.

Morph Hater (22:45.376)
I know I saw I sidebarred but let's I'm gonna segue into something that still has to do with sex. Do jeans pregnant? When did that happen? I love it because I know that I know what that means man. We're gonna get to pay the cable bill at some point.

Matt - CDWA (22:51.662)
Yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah.

Matt - CDWA (22:59.15)
You're going to pay cable. You can't, this is on, this is on Hulu, but streaming ain't going to cover it. You've got to pay the cable bill. So, uh, let's see. I mean, she had, it's been 27 years, so I'm sure she could have a child at some point. The fact that I needed a calculator and couldn't do that in my head, like 24 plus three, you know, I could have, I could have probably figured that out, but, but.

Morph Hater (23:06.624)
Hehehe

Morph Hater (23:17.096)
Apparently it hasn't been 27 years in the show.

That's okay.

That's okay. Uh, but yeah, I mean, they named him Nathan Charles Summers. I love that. I know what that means. You know, I love cable. Uh, so bring, bring on the cable. Although cable was in the original show. I don't remember if they had the conversation around, Hey, I'm your son from the future. I'm Nathan. Okay. Cable. You're my mom and dad. I don't know if that happened in the show. Cause again, I don't, it's been so long as I've watched. I don't remember.

Matt - CDWA (23:31.724)
End.

Matt - CDWA (23:36.622)
But you love cable.

Matt - CDWA (23:41.454)
He was.

Matt - CDWA (23:55.438)
Dude, doesn't, I know like in our previous boys episodes, we talked about it, but like this show, it was so good. It made me want to go back and watch the other show. Cause like, we're not going to watch 10, five seasons of the boys. Like we like, like I'm not doing that, but like I can, I can sneak in a 20 minute thing over lunch. I can sneak in X -Men in over lunch. He's still like, no, no, no, can't do it.

Morph Hater (24:08.328)
No. No.

Morph Hater (24:14.273)
I tried watching them not long ago. Boy, it's rough. I mean, the animation from the 90s is not great. The 80s and 90s animation doesn't age super well, but the writing is the hardest part because at the time, they were writing these shows for kids.

Matt - CDWA (24:19.278)
Couldn't do it. Really.

Matt - CDWA (24:37.838)
There's some adult themes, but yes, yes, yes. Yeah, it was on Fox Kids. Like 9 a .m. Yep. Yeah.

Morph Hater (24:39.168)
There were some adult themes, I'll give you that. Yeah, yeah. I do wanna call out a couple of cool references or appearances, if that's okay. I know we already talked about Roberto da Costa, AKA Sunspot. I do like Sunspot as a character. I'm glad that we're gonna get more of him, I think. Did you catch the gold balls reference?

Matt - CDWA (25:09.39)
Yeah, there was something about like, didn't Jubilee tell him to be like if he could shoot balls out of him or something like that in the first episode.

Morph Hater (25:15.136)
Yeah, so it was it was when they put Roberto in the danger room and she's like, what are your powers and like naming off what these things would be? Would it be weird if you could like shoot gold balls out of your body or something? Which is like what gold balls did? You know I get I'm in a sidebar as We get further and further away from the era where Brian Michael Bendis was architecting all of Marvel and then writing the X -Men

Matt - CDWA (25:18.062)
Yes, like.

Matt - CDWA (25:26.39)
Yeah.

Yep.

Morph Hater (25:46.078)
More and more of the things that he did, I look back on and I go, that was dumb. Like that was a, the gold balls is a dumb fucking character. And we pushed that guy into the forefront of the X -Men for quite a while.

Matt - CDWA (25:57.55)
He was in there. He's on the resurrection team in the Krakowian area. He's a big deal. He's kind of a big deal.

Morph Hater (26:04.256)
I yeah, it's terrible terrible but moving on Executioner showing up was awesome So there was a there was a period of time I Don't remember when in the 90s. It was late 90s But they did a thing at Marvel where that year for every comics annual issue

Matt - CDWA (26:14.254)
Okay, yep.

Morph Hater (26:31.072)
Each annual introduced a brand new character to Marvel. So all of the mutant books introduced new mutant characters. Executioner was the only one that was legitimately cool from that round of like new character introductions that was line wide at Marvel. I've always loved the design of that character. I think that it's cool that he's sort of like a mutant hunting and killing machine, but not like the, you know,

200 feet tall Sentinel or however big they are like it's just a dude in a suit that like yeah, it's like he's the mutant Punisher. Yeah This super cool character. So I really liked seeing him Those are my three

Matt - CDWA (27:00.716)
Yeah.

He's like Punisher. Like, not - even Punisher. Yeah.

Matt - CDWA (27:14.766)
He sounds very 90s.

Morph Hater (27:16.544)
And I guess morph turning into like.

Matt - CDWA (27:18.734)
Dude, that, yeah, that's really good. Morph has no place, but when like Wolverine's depressed at the end of episode two, and then he starts, and he's up in a tree and he starts hitting Wolverine with bags of chips and hits him with beer and then turns into Sabretooth and they start fighting, like that was funny. That was cool. I like.

Morph Hater (27:36.434)
I guess. Still a morph hater.

Matt - CDWA (27:39.118)
There's a really funny morph scene and issue in episode three that I think you're gonna laugh at involving the danger room. I'll leave it there, but you'll get a chuckle out of it, I think. I haven't, it got clipped, so I saw a clip. I was like, that's actually pretty funny stuff. Yeah.

Morph Hater (27:46.496)
Alright. I was gonna watch it, but I ran out of time.

Morph Hater (27:53.322)
Okay, okay. Brogan Magneto being an item in the past was interesting. I didn't know that happened.

Matt - CDWA (28:02.19)
Yeah. That's, that's rooted in comics. Lord, that's what I'm saying. That's, yeah. Yeah. That's like that. That's there. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Morph Hater (28:08.512)
Hmm. I don't know my X -Men history like I should.

All right. All right. I was I was digging all the Genosha stuff. I thought that was cool. That is my era. I'm one of my favorite X -Men. Like stories takes place on the island of Genosha. So I think it's the extinction agenda is the name I still have. I'll keep it going. I'll be right back.

Matt - CDWA (28:20.014)
Yeah, that's your era.

Matt - CDWA (28:33.964)
Existential agenda, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt - CDWA (28:41.646)
I have no idea what this man is going to get. He's probably got some ridiculously big. Oh wow. That's the OG trade, isn't it?

Morph Hater (28:48.896)
going to get my my this is like an original printing of the extinction agenda crossover it's got two of my three of my favorite X bank you've got cable Archangel and Wolverine and the yellow and brown suit on the cover

Matt - CDWA (29:03.298)
The yellow and brown seats pretty tight. The yellow and brown seats real tight.

Morph Hater (29:05.248)
It's super tight.

This might not be a first burning. It's not a first burning, I lied.

Matt - CDWA (29:12.622)
It's a first print of you though.

Morph Hater (29:13.088)
But this was printed in...

Hmm no says was 92 Maybe it is it's not a first but it was printed in 92. It's like a tenth print, but it was from 92 I find it hard to believe they printed this ten times in 1992 alone, but what do I know?

Matt - CDWA (29:27.342)
It's real to you though.

That was probably a big deal, dude. That was probably a big deal.

Morph Hater (29:34.152)
I back then, everything wasn't collected in the trade. Only certain things made it. So.

Matt - CDWA (29:36.366)
Exactly, so that was like a big deal. Yeah, I could see that.

Morph Hater (29:43.192)
Any final thoughts on these first couple episodes?

Matt - CDWA (29:48.172)
Nah man, they were really good. I was pleasantly surprised at how much I actually really enjoyed this. Like I really was.

Morph Hater (29:56.704)
Me too, me too. It doesn't make me wanna go back to Marvel at all. Don't get it twisted. I'm not back on the Marvel train, but I will watch this show pretty fervently, at least through the first two seasons.

Matt - CDWA (30:01.58)
Okay.

Matt - CDWA (30:06.422)
Yeah.

Matt - CDWA (30:11.31)
Yeah, as long as they keep it up. So.

Morph Hater (30:17.312)
Well, this is I'm glad we I'm glad we pivoted to watching this. We were going to do something different. If you if you if you were here two weeks ago for the boys part three, at the end of it, I said we were going to watch a movie and then we showed up with two episodes of Cartoon Show. Gotcha. We pivoted offline. Glad we did. We'll still do that other thing eventually. But I think either one of us is in a hurry to watch a movie. We know we're not going to like for your entertainment. You are being a wonderful community of listeners.

Matt - CDWA (30:20.814)
Yes.

Matt - CDWA (30:40.558)
Yeah.

Matt - CDWA (30:47.436)
If you heard the Easter egg, I was going, oh, no, no, no, you're talking about doing the movie. And I was like, I wanted to really do this. So I'm glad we did make the pivot offline and went this direction.

Morph Hater (30:58.08)
Yeah. Should have got to me before we started recording. It's okay. That's okay. Anyway, if you've watched the first two episodes of X -Men 97 and you like it or you didn't like it, find us on social, talk to us about it there. I'd love to have a conversation or if you just wanna connect, whatever, I'm down for that too. We'll be back in, I don't know, a couple of weeks.

Matt - CDWA (31:01.782)
I'm sorry, I apologize. It happened.

Matt - CDWA (31:23.502)
We'll be back.

Morph Hater (31:24.96)
We're gonna run a rough bi -weekly schedule. Sometimes it's sometimes three come out in a month sometimes two. The boys is probably next but you never know if we have time to watch a movie. Maybe we get three out in April. I don't know. I am gonna be moving in May at some point because we just bought a house. So yes, congratulations to us. Yep.

Matt - CDWA (31:35.532)
Yeah.

Matt - CDWA (31:45.908)
Yay! Breaking news! Adam Schefter and Deva. Breaking news.

Morph Hater (31:52.744)
You heard it here first, although by the time this episode releases, it'll be old news. It'll be you know a week or two old but anyway So we maybe we maybe we do a couple extra episodes To get ahead of that because I think there's probably gonna be a couple of weeks or I'm not gonna be able to record anything But we do appreciate all of you that stick with us throughout these fun little episodes we call a podcast

We'll see you in two weeks -ish. My name is Dave. Take care of yourselves, everybody. Bye -bye.

Matt - CDWA (32:24.75)
And I'm mad.

Peace.