Bumblebee wasn't bad, and was a refreshing soft reboot of the Michael Bay Transformers universe. Can Rise of the Beasts keep the momentum going?
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Bumblebee wasn't bad, and was a refreshing soft reboot of the Michael Bay Transformers universe. Can Rise of the Beasts keep the momentum going?
Disclaimer: This contains spoilers for Transformers Rise of the Beasts
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Dave:
That was Optimus Prime from the Transformers cartoon, like the 80s cartoon. And you know what? I relate to what Optimus was just saying, because Transformers Rise of the Beasts was the booby trap. And y'all, we are the boobies.
Matt:
Hehehe
Dave:
Let's get into it.
Matt:
Damn you! That's caught on my playlist! Yes! I forgot about the touch. Yes!
Dave:
So I wanted to start off the episode sort of light and happy because it's going to go downhill really fast. If you listen to the last episode, we talked about the Flash movie with Ezra Miller and Michael Keaton. It did not go well for Warner Brothers DC and the Flash. Matt and I did not enjoy the movie. Neither did my girlfriend who was also forced to watch the movie by me. Um, not forced. She made her choice. She knew what she was getting into. She decided she wanted to watch it with me. It was all her. Um, but it was my idea. Uh, however, Matt wanted to do it again. And he said, Hey man, Transformers rise of the beast is also up already for digital purchase and or rental. Now I didn't. He didn't get me on a purchase twice. I learned my lesson. I rented it for six dollars from Amazon this time.
Matt:
Okay, okay, good, good.
Dave:
I know you were even smarter. What did you do?
Matt:
I did Paramount Plus. You actually can do a seven day free trial if you haven't done it. And then it's like $11.99 a month after. There's actually a couple of things I want to watch, so I'm keeping it for just one month. But yeah, I did Paramount Plus.
Dave:
So if anybody wants to relive some of the terrible moments we're about to share with all of you, those are two cheap ways to do it if you missed this movie in theaters, which I hope you did. So last week, I didn't do a recap. Matt kind of decided to do a recap like ad hoc. I'm gonna
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
do one just sort of on the fly as well. This is going to be very brief. didn't watch the Bumblebee movie, which was sort of a light reboot of the Michael Bay Transformers universe. That movie ends with Optimus and the Transformers. There's a handful of them in that movie, putting out the beacon for all Transformers to come to Earth because it's like a safe haven or whatever. Right? Like that's how Bumblebee ends. forget all of that because
Matt:
Good, because
Dave:
we're
Matt:
I didn't
Dave:
starting,
Matt:
see it.
Dave:
we're starting fresh in Rise of the Beasts. The movie kicks off with you're on another planet and the Maximals, which are like the Transformers that turn into animals. They're trying to save their planet from Unicron, who is one of the big bads in the Transformers universe. And Unicron uses a, it's not Decepticon, He basically is like the silver surfer to Unicron's Galactus, is really what it boils down to. Scourge goes and fires planets for Unicron to eat. All of the Maximals accept their leader escape, their leader stays behind to slow down Scourge. The Maximals escape with some sort of like trans-dimensional transportation
Matt:
Transdimensional
Dave:
device.
Matt:
gateway, yeah, that's
Dave:
Yes,
Matt:
key.
Dave:
trans-dimensional gateway, and they escape. Uh, then we go to earth and we're forced to endure our two human protagonists, Noah and what was her name? Elena. I
Matt:
Yes.
Dave:
think it was Elena.
Matt:
It was definitely
Dave:
Yeah, it
Matt:
a
Dave:
was.
Matt:
lana.
Dave:
Yeah. Cause I remember
Matt:
It's
Dave:
it's
Matt:
100%
Dave:
your daughter's
Matt:
a lana.
Dave:
name. Yeah. Um, Elena works at a museum. Noah's just some guy trying to get a job. He takes care of his brother, his little brother who has sickle cell anemia. I guess. Um. Ultimately what happens is Noah stumbles upon a transformer mirage while trying to, he doesn't get this job that he was going to interview for. So he turns to crime like everyone does and tries to steal a car, the
Matt:
There's
Dave:
car ends up
Matt:
a
Dave:
being
Matt:
crime
Dave:
a transformer.
Matt:
like everyone does.
Dave:
And then he meets all the Autobots. Optimus Prime is very skeptical, so are the rest of them. And they end up like going to get half of the gateway
Matt:
Yes.
Dave:
from this museum where Elena works because they have the artifact but
Matt:
Yes.
Dave:
Scourge is there, there's a fight, one of the Maximals shows up, then they decide they need to go to Peru to find the other half of it, they go to Peru, they find the other half, Scourge gets it. At one point Noah wants to destroy it, to strand the Transformers there because he thinks it's the only way to save Earth from Unicron. And then,
Matt:
Probably a good strategy.
Dave:
yeah, then they find out that Scourge is going to bring Unicron here. And they've got this whole thing built in the middle of nowhere in Peru, literally in the middle of nowhere. There's nothing around, no buildings, no people, hardly any trees. It's just a perfect spot to have a big battle with robots. At the end of the movie, I'm really going quick through this. There's a big fight. The heroes prevail. We think that Optimus is going to make the same sacrifice that the Maximals leader made in the beginning of the movie, but Optimus Primal and Noah save him, and then the end credits roll. Noah and Elena are now romantically connected somehow, it seems, that's hinted at. There is a mid-credit scene that we will get to later. I have strong feelings about the mid-credit scene. Did you watch the mid-credit scene, Matt?
Matt:
I think I watched both stairs too maybe?
Dave:
I only saw one.
Matt:
What did the mid credit scene involve Noah?
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
Yeah, I watched that.
Dave:
All right. So that's a very high level synopsis of this movie. And as we always do, we're going to do the good, the bad, and the controversial, or hot takes, whatever you want to call it. I do have a couple of other general thoughts.
Matt:
So
Dave:
I
Matt:
I will,
Dave:
am...
Matt:
yeah.
Dave:
Go ahead, go ahead.
Matt:
I was just gonna say I'm like a Transformers newbie. Like I obviously know of Transformers. I've read some stuff, but Dave is probably your more encyclopedic person in regards to Transformers than I am. It's not one of my strong suits, but I know of Transformers. I've seen the movies and stuff like that. I have not seen Bumblebee
Dave:
Um,
Matt:
though, but.
Dave:
I wouldn't say I'm a historian by any stretch,
Matt:
You know what,
Dave:
but
Matt:
a night.
Dave:
I do really, I like the Transformers a lot.
Matt:
Yeah, you know more
Dave:
That's,
Matt:
than
Dave:
that's
Matt:
I do.
Dave:
accurate. That's accurate. Um, it's really just one thought. That's not two thoughts, but, and there's no, there's no Decepticons in this movie. It's
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
Autobots, Machinimals and Terrorcons.
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
We do not have the Decepticons anywhere in this movie, but I do think it's interesting that every Transformers movie. starts out essentially the same way. And that's with some sort of down on their luck human accidentally getting trapped inside of or turning on an Autobot. I don't understand why that is.
Matt:
It
Dave:
We
Matt:
is
Dave:
don't
Matt:
the formula.
Dave:
need the formula anymore. This is now the seventh movie. If we're not counting anything animated live action movies, this is the seventh one. We
Matt:
It's nice
Dave:
do
Matt:
to
Dave:
not need
Matt:
have many
Dave:
a
Matt:
of
Dave:
soft
Matt:
them.
Dave:
intro to a transformer this way anymore.
Matt:
What,
Dave:
I don't think it's needed.
Matt:
why did they kind of discard Bumblebee? I'm just curious. I thought that movie did okay or good.
Dave:
I don't know.
Matt:
That's interesting.
Dave:
No idea. It's one of the many questions that we have to try and answer today.
Matt:
One of the great mysteries, one of life's great mysteries.
Dave:
There are no answers, unfortunately, but there are, I have a decent amount of good things.
Matt:
Okay.
Dave:
Decent amount of good things. First and foremost, I am, as you've mentioned, I am a huge Gen 1 Transformers guy. I love Gen 1 Transformers. Optimus Prime's look in Bumblebee and this movie and really all of the Transformers look. is a lot less bionicle and a lot more gen one. There's those Michael Bay Transformers, they're very much just looking like big bionicles and I wasn't feeling that so much as I was this little soft reboot we've gotten with these last two movies. So I did really appreciate that a lot.
Matt:
That was number one on my list. Check.
Dave:
Okay,
Matt:
She sunk
Dave:
maybe
Matt:
my
Dave:
you
Matt:
battleship.
Dave:
should go, because I don't want to just say all of your talking points.
Matt:
No, number one was the G1 feel. Like I saw, I, the Bumblebee was on TV the other day. So I saw like the beginning of the movie and I'm like,
Dave:
Okay, okay.
Matt:
this is way more accurate than any of those previous Transformers movies, like to the look of the actual characters that I know, like this looks like the ones from the like old eighties cartoon and, and anything that I've played. I was like, those video games and like, this is, this is cool. And that was a really cool beginning. The opening, the Bumblebee. Um, I liked. I like the alliance between the Transformers and humans. I just, I like that because it's like, in most fiction I see, like we're like the dominant force. I like that we're just like a speck on the ground in this universe. Like we really, we can have some impact, but ultimately it's up to these, you know, forces kind of out of our control. And I like that there is, you know, a force that befriends us. And you- Learn the relationship through this movie and optimists and Noah's relationship isn't great at the beginning, but they end in a good spot. And I'm a sucker for that kind of storytelling, but I like that we're just insignificant in these Transformers movies. I find that to just be really fascinating. Any of the scenes with we can talk about Noah and Elena and those characters. Like, first of all, without Elena, we like the whole human race is screwed. So like Elena knew everything. You know, and I'm not gonna say she was like a Mary Sue because that's not what she was at all, but like she was very intelligent. She knew all the archeology. Like if Elena wasn't there, I mean, he's transformed. It was over. Like all that was over. Noah was okay. He was just like the soldier guy, like making quips. And we can talk about that later in the bad that I didn't particularly care for, but like he was fine. Some of the moments, much like our last review in the flash, I really liked those scenes with Noah and his little brother. I thought those were cool. They
Dave:
Mm-hmm.
Matt:
were touching moments, they were well acted. There are few and far between, but those are good scenes. I like
Dave:
You
Matt:
the
Dave:
got a lot of good stuff here.
Matt:
Maximal Airazor. I just, whatever female person, I don't know that clicked for me. I like that bird. I like Peregrine Falcons, that's what she was. I just thought that was a cool character. I liked, and the last thing was, spoilers. They end up killing Bumblebee, like really early on in the movie when Dave was talking about they go to the college and find this key or whatever that Elena has and they end up killing Bumblebee and I'm like, okay, like you're killing Bumblebee, I'm not buying it. But they kept him out for a lot of the movie, but it was corny as hell, but at the end sequence when he jumped out of the plane and they were playing some L.O. Cool J, Mama Said Knock You Out, I couldn't help but laugh, like in a good way, not like an eye rolling way. I kind of loved it, I'm not gonna lie. It actually made
Dave:
Honestly?
Matt:
sense with Bumblebee because of like the stereo and his voice like it made sense to me So I was just like alright.
Dave:
Same.
Matt:
That's pretty cool. I
Dave:
That's on
Matt:
like
Dave:
my
Matt:
that
Dave:
list too.
Matt:
Okay,
Dave:
I wrote down Bubblebee's
Matt:
alright
Dave:
return was dope.
Matt:
Yeah, cool. I'm glad I'm not the only one
Dave:
You're not.
Matt:
That was that was pretty much all my pot like my positives that I had
Dave:
Okay. Some of those I'm actually a little surprised about, but we'll definitely talk more about that because I do disagree on a couple of those things.
Matt:
Okay.
Dave:
But other things that I really liked. First, RC being in the movie,
Matt:
Yes.
Dave:
there's only a handful of, you know, I'm air quoting female Transformers, because I don't really know if Transformers have gender. Like,
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
I don't know how they reproduce. We've never tackled that. And I'm sure- someone has but I don't need to go into that part of the internet to find it. But she's one of my favorite Transformers. I've always loved Arcee and I like that she was she was a little bit more on the serious side. My only complaint was that her role traditionally has been more of like a stealth long-range sniper kind of She's like a recon transformer that can kill you from 300 yards away. I wish they would have let her do that more. Instead, she had like the dual SMGs and she was like up in the shit, which is fine. I just liked having RC. I thought that she was great. And then Unicron is one of my favorite things about the Transformers. I love that animated movie from 1985. Unicron's the big bad in that movie. So getting him in this was really cool. And I think it was a good re-imagining for live action. Typically movie studios, especially when it's not like Marvel films, screw up stuff like this. Not that this movie didn't screw up a bunch of other things. So they did happen to get Unicron right. I thought the soundtrack in this movie was incredible. Anytime
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
you're giving me 90s hip hop, I'm in. I love that stuff. So huge fan of the soundtrack. And also one of the things that these movies do really well are the Transformers fight scenes. They're almost always really cool fight scenes. They go, they know exactly how far they can go before it starts to get a little too corny and a little too wacky to be believable. Despite the fact that these are made up like huge robots fighting each other. They do a really good job of making it just over the top enough to be cool without being silly.
Matt:
They showed a little restraint too, like from the previous, like Michael Bay. They weren't like a zoomed in and made me as sick as like those,
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
those early trans performers movies, like sometimes you, you didn't even know what was kind of going on and it was, they were also
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
dark. And I think that had to do with like the G1 palating we're talking about. Like you kind of couldn't even tell cause they were these bionical, like you said, just beating each other up and I'm like, who is who and who's doing what? Like I think they learned those lessons. So that's a good thing for them. On to the bad
Dave:
That
Matt:
things.
Dave:
was it for my good stuff. Yeah, if we wanna transition into the not so good.
Matt:
I'm
Dave:
And
Matt:
sorry.
Dave:
I have probably just as many hot and controversial takes as I do things that I
Matt:
I'm
Dave:
didn't
Matt:
sorry.
Dave:
like about the movie. And I'm probably gonna get, I gave you all a disclaimer last episode
Matt:
You just put
Dave:
after
Matt:
it out
Dave:
we were
Matt:
there.
Dave:
done talking about things we liked about The Flash. This is likely going to be a little more vitriolic than last episode. because
Matt:
OOF
Dave:
I care a hell of a lot more about Transformers than I do about the Flash.
Matt:
Can we wait
Dave:
You know,
Matt:
two
Dave:
this
Matt:
minutes?
Dave:
is my...
Matt:
I want to get some popcorn.
Dave:
I almost walked out of the second Transformers live action movie because
Matt:
Yeah,
Dave:
they gave
Matt:
you did.
Dave:
Devastator balls
Matt:
You did. Facts. I was there.
Dave:
I do have some serious gripes about this movie. So if this is not your thing, if you don't like to hear people that get mad and spout nerd rage, ad nauseum, turn off the episode, go have a snack, watch something on TV, go play with your dog or your cat or whatever pet you have, go hang out with your kids, talk to your partner, go give them a hug. enjoy the nice things you have in life because it's not going to be so nice over here. Okay, we've given you time to leave if you don't want to be here. It's time to get mean. How do you want to do this, Matt? Do you want me to start rattling stuff off? Do you want to, do you want to give a few?
Matt:
I'll give like two. I mean,
Dave:
Go for it. Do you
Matt:
do
Dave:
only
Matt:
you
Dave:
have
Matt:
feel,
Dave:
two?
Matt:
no, I have like five. Jokes
Dave:
Okay.
Matt:
and jokes. Do we have jokes and jokes or is that just me or am I sensitive to the jokes? I don't, it's this is, just
Dave:
It's
Matt:
Noah,
Dave:
not just you.
Matt:
you're inside me. Like, you know,
Dave:
They wrote Mirage.
Matt:
Mirage,
Dave:
They
Matt:
dude, Mirage.
Dave:
wrote, oh. He,
Matt:
Yep, that's my number one. Go ahead, go ahead. Mirage,
Dave:
he's written
Matt:
Mirage.
Dave:
like. Go.
Matt:
Mirage reminded me of the twins from Revenge of the Fall. That's how like cringy it was to me. Like I remember being in that theater with you and you were like seething, dude. Like you like legitimately almost got up and walked out. Like you, and then I found out, not that I hate the actor, but I found out it was Pete Davidson. It's like, oh, that's why I didn't like him. Cause I don't traditionally love Pete Davidson and that's who played Mirage. But just jokes, dude, on jokes and jokes. When he was getting, shot up at the end by Scourge like I was legit laughing and happy. I shouldn't have been like Scourge was giving him the business and I was so happy and laughing.
Dave:
Terrible. It's terrible. They wrote Mirage like a cross between Deadpool and Pete Davidson on SNL.
Matt:
Hehehe
Dave:
which is one of the most unpleasant combinations I can think of for a character that is the focal point of the movie. And I, when I heard that Mirage was made sort of the main transformer in the movie, I kind of knew it was going to be a more lighthearted take, but I didn't expect that.
Matt:
Is he a lighthearted character traditionally? Like is
Dave:
Yeah,
Matt:
that... Okay, okay.
Dave:
yeah.
Matt:
But not a joke probably,
Dave:
Also,
Matt:
right?
Dave:
huh?
Matt:
Light-hearted but not a complete joke, is he?
Dave:
Right. No.
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
And there's a lot of other things about Mirage that I really did not enjoy, but
Matt:
I mean, I feel like I don't
Dave:
go
Matt:
even,
Dave:
ahead.
Matt:
I just want to kind of hear it. Like, I don't know. I have
Dave:
What else?
Matt:
little,
Dave:
What
Matt:
I just,
Dave:
else you got?
Matt:
I mean, I didn't
Dave:
Get him
Matt:
let
Dave:
out.
Matt:
the dump, the bumblebee dead. Like if you're going to kill a character, kill a character. It really like legitimately. I feel like they stole the script from revenge of the fallen because there is a badass optimist prime fight and revenge of the fallen where he gets killed. And a similar thing happens in this movie where second movie of franchise kill one of the main characters bring them back later in the same film. I was like, man, this is we're just we're following that same formula. Huh. And you knew he wasn't dead. Like you bumblebee is now one of the focal points of Transformers. I'm like, he's clearly coming back. So that's just me being cynical, I guess. Um, this was a little thing, but my wife literally said the same thing when they went to Peru. Elena and Noah's disguises bro. Those are some of the worst. They looked horrible. They did not look Peruvian. That'd be like me going to China, bro. Like that we were audibly laughing at that part. Like, I don't, I don't know why that's just like a little thing. Um, I, and the last thing I had was just like the ending. It felt super rushed, super convenient. Mirage turns into this suit of armor. So we're chasing the whole Tony Stark. thing trying to insert a human into this power armor how does this work like all that armor he should have been bigger just physics went out the window optimus prime is falling into this thing getting sucked into this gate he is a huge mack truck you're telling me this little tiny human in this little thing is going to hold this man who is an entire I was just like, physics has went out the window and it was super rushed. Like the ending was just very rushed. It wrapped up in like 15 minutes. It was very abrupt in my opinion. For how much
Dave:
I agree.
Matt:
movie we had. Like
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
we could have shaved some of that other stuff off in the beginning to let the end of the movie breathe a little bit more. So.
Dave:
Mm hmm. I agree.
Matt:
That's all I had. I'm here.
Dave:
I'm sorry Crystal sat through that movie with you.
Matt:
She didn't watch all of
Dave:
I
Matt:
it,
Dave:
really
Matt:
but she
Dave:
am.
Matt:
popped in on certain parts. She watched two thirds of it, I think.
Dave:
Abby sat on the couch with me while I watched
Matt:
He's
Dave:
it, but she was doing other things the entire
Matt:
exactly.
Dave:
time She was not paying attention because she learned her lesson after we watched
Matt:
Yeah
Dave:
the flash I'd also just like to say there's one movie that had the courage to kill a main character and not bring them back in the same movie You know what it is?
Matt:
I mean, Star Trek 3.
Dave:
Transformers movie.
Matt:
Did they kill Megatron in one movie and then he sat out for like, no? I don't know who it is then.
Dave:
Do you need a hint?
Matt:
Yeah, I need a hint. I need a hint. It's been a while. And that's the soundtrack of a generation of children being scarred.
Dave:
Optimus Prime dies in the beginning of that movie and he does not come back
Matt:
That
Dave:
Why
Matt:
a
Dave:
will
Matt:
bitch.
Dave:
I never forget that you ask because I was five
Matt:
You're
Dave:
and
Matt:
scarred.
Dave:
I cried Because Optimus Prime was my favorite Transformer and I thought he would come back, but he never did You know why they killed him?
Matt:
They had to make new toys, dude. They had to bring these new transformers
Dave:
Yes,
Matt:
along.
Dave:
it was it was about new toys.
Matt:
Marketing. Marketing,
Dave:
We got to kill
Matt:
dude. Come
Dave:
the
Matt:
on.
Dave:
old boy to get the new toy. Need
Matt:
Bro,
Dave:
a new leader they auto-bought.
Matt:
I sincerely mean this. I appreciate you going through that pain. So I didn't have to with GI Joe. Duke, he's alive. It was like, so you know he
Dave:
I'm
Matt:
was
Dave:
sorry.
Matt:
dead. He lives. Go, Joe. God, I appreciate
Dave:
Yeah,
Matt:
you going through that. So I didn't have to.
Dave:
you're welcome. You're welcome. All right, so let me get into the bad.
Matt:
Get off your chest.
Dave:
Mirage, everything about Mirage, he's written like some kind of MCU slapdick idiot.
Matt:
I'm out.
Dave:
Absolutely despised almost everything that Mirage says in the movie. Not everything has to be a joke. Optimus Prime cracking jokes is officially a bridge too far for me to cross. You know what I'm talking about. It's that one scene where he goes, I don't want you going to that drive-in anymore, B. Fucking kill me.
Matt:
Hehehehehe
Dave:
Stab me in the eyes. rip off my ears, light me on fire. I don't wanna be around any Transformers movie that now has Optimus Prime telling jokes. You know what? This is what Optimus Prime used to be like. Bad ass. Now Optimus Prime did die in that fight. I should say he actually did not survive. But the man was a badass. He wasn't cracking jokes.
Matt:
my era of Transformers it was push the cube into
Dave:
Back
Matt:
my chest
Dave:
in my
Matt:
Sam
Dave:
day.
Matt:
push the cube into my chest Sam dude
Dave:
You know what? At least Sam Witwicky was in the cartoons.
Matt:
I love some Sam Witwick you that's a whole different story we'll get on that later
Dave:
Yeah. So that the scene or not the scene, but I guess it's a scene like that the fight where Bumblebee dies. So Optimus and Scourge are fighting. And there's one this I remember I audibly laughed while I was watching the movie. There's like there's one part in the fight where Scourge kicks Optimus down. And you're seeing Scourge from Optimus is point of view. And right as he kicks optimus, there's an explosion behind scourge. It's just like the most like, like 2000s Mountain Dew extreme sports commercial type of explosion that I had ever seen. And it's like 2023. I couldn't handle it. It was so ridiculous. So corny. It's so corny. Energon is all over the earth. Why? Why is Energon on earth? And why did it activate and resurrect Bumblebee? Can anyone tell me?
Matt:
That's native to their planet, right? Like that's their resource back
Dave:
Yes.
Matt:
on Cybertron. Okay.
Dave:
Correct. But it's all through the ground. We conveniently placed bumblebee in the
Matt:
on
Dave:
heart
Matt:
a mound
Dave:
of the
Matt:
of
Dave:
energon
Matt:
it.
Dave:
deposits on Earth. And then for whatever reason it activated and resurrected it.
Matt:
They put them on that Wakanda mound. They Wakanda, like, mound of vibranium.
Dave:
Right, like what are we doing? What are we doing? Optimus Primal saying that humans are more than meets the eye. fucking kill me.
Matt:
What's wrong with that? That's a c- ah come on dude.
Dave:
No. Uh-uh. No. The tagline on Transformers is more than meets the eye, because they're robots
Matt:
Robots
Dave:
that turn
Matt:
in...
Dave:
into other things.
Matt:
Robots in disguise.
Dave:
Yeah, more than meets the eye. Because they can transform into other things. Do not apply that to the humans in this movie or any Transformers movie for that matter It's not about the humans and that is the theme with this movie. This is so Human focused to the point that the filmmakers Throughout the course of the entire movie Kept trying to humanize the Transformers We don't need that let the Transformers be fucking Transformers guys That's what I don't I don't need to be I don't need to relate to Optimus Prime fathering Bumblebee Okay? I don't need that. I don't need to relate to Mirage cracking jokes. Doesn't make sense.
Matt:
Now go
Dave:
Also,
Matt:
out.
Dave:
for most of the movie, Optimus Prime like doesn't trust humans, kind of hates being on Earth.
Matt:
I like xenophobe bribe. I kinda like xenophobe bribe, I'm not gonna lie. He's like, F these
Dave:
I did
Matt:
humans.
Dave:
not enjoy
Matt:
I was like,
Dave:
it.
Matt:
okay, all right, optimist.
Dave:
Did not enjoy it. Also, and this is like call back to our flash episode, but we're talking about lazy filmmaking.
Matt:
Okay.
Dave:
I was thinking to myself when we finally got to the end of the movie, the last fight scene, and I didn't want to believe this to be true.
Matt:
You
Dave:
But these assholes for the entire movie set up, hey, humans are way smaller than Transformers. Just so they could crawl through a conveniently placed tunnel right to the weak spot of the bridge that would bring Unicron to earth. How many times in the movie did a Transformer say or a human say, Hey humans, you're small, you can get in there. Bro, come on. Yeah, anyone can tell that humans are smaller than Transformers. Yet that was like a key plot device in this movie. Humans are smaller than transformers. Lazy.
Matt:
I'm not gonna lie, bro. I immediately thought of Admiral Ackbar when I saw that tunnel, because that's straight out of, that's straight out of Star Wars Return
Dave:
Hehehehehe
Matt:
of the Jedi. That, we need to go through the exhaust panel. Like,
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
that's a trap. Like, it's the same, I was like, this is Star Wars. The plot of the first two Star
Dave:
Right.
Matt:
Wars movies, bro. Like, this is first
Dave:
So
Matt:
three,
Dave:
stupid.
Matt:
one in three, yeah.
Dave:
So stupid. And then last, my last thing and the bad. How did that walkie talkie work in Peru? That Noah's little
Matt:
No
Dave:
brother
Matt:
idea, bro.
Dave:
gave the gave to I guess I'm supposed to just like, assume that some secret Transformers technology allowed it to work.
Matt:
That's what you're supposed to do. He's
Dave:
Stupid.
Matt:
a big, Mirage is a big antenna. He's a big antenna. That's how
Dave:
Yeah,
Matt:
it worked.
Dave:
okay. Okay. I have more hot takes than I have things I didn't like about the movie.
Matt:
Okay, I was like, that wasn't that bad. That wasn't that scathing, I feel like.
Dave:
Mmm, it felt pretty scathing.
Matt:
Sorry. Well go with your hot, what are your hot takes here?
Dave:
All right. You're going to, I know you're not going to like this one. Number one, the actress that played Elena is the female Hayden Christensen from the prequels.
Matt:
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Alright? Why?
Dave:
she could not deliver a line I'm sorry maybe it's the director's fault maybe it's the script's fault but like that scene in the end when she's like trying to get to the control panel and there's like everything about that control panel interaction was just
Matt:
That
Dave:
so
Matt:
hole...
Dave:
ridiculous
Matt:
Yeah, that hole.
Dave:
like she was she was not I don't think she was doing a great job if I'm just
Matt:
I'm
Dave:
I'm
Matt:
going
Dave:
just
Matt:
to go
Dave:
being
Matt:
to bed.
Dave:
Because I don't think the dude that played Noah was all that great either.
Matt:
No. He looks
Dave:
But they've
Matt:
like...
Dave:
clearly moved on from like, the Transformers movies aren't casting superstar talent. We're not
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
gonna, there's no Marky Mark, there's no Megan Fox, there's none of that.
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
There's no what's his name. He doesn't
Matt:
Shilobuff.
Dave:
even act anymore. Yeah. Like we're not going after Hollywood A-List anymore. Now we're going after the unknowns. This is what happens when you cast unknowns. The moms, they don't work out. I don't think she was great.
Matt:
Okay.
Dave:
Sorry.
Matt:
I don't think she's great. Yeah.
Dave:
Poor delivery. Like her New York accent kind of came and went from time
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
to time. Like Noah didn't even really have one.
Matt:
You
Dave:
I don't know.
Matt:
Go
Dave:
Um,
Matt:
on.
Dave:
this one, I don't know if that's really controversial or a hot take. I didn't ever really care for the beast wars era of transformers, primarily because it was around when I was a little bit too old to be watching like shitty 3d CG cartoon style stuff. Those, those were just, they don't, that stuff ages terribly.
Matt:
Horrible.
Dave:
Um, this didn't really do much to change that. Um, really because these only two, there's only two Maximals that you ever really even see with a speaking line. It's like Optimus Primal and that, that other chick. What, I forget the name.
Matt:
uh
Dave:
Um, Air,
Matt:
the
Dave:
Air Razor or whatever.
Matt:
air razor
Dave:
I don't know what her
Matt:
yeah
Dave:
name was.
Matt:
like i remember
Dave:
That's,
Matt:
that
Dave:
I don't think
Matt:
era
Dave:
Air Razor is right. Is it?
Matt:
air razors right
Dave:
Okay.
Matt:
air razor like a razor blade i
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
mean that whole that whole era i don't i'm not in the transformers community but i didn't think that was like in the in that time i don't think it was like a very lauded period of transformers probably now it is from nostalgia but like I agree with you, like that CG, like that show Reboot had that kind of animation as well too. It
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
just was
Dave:
Yeah,
Matt:
bad
Dave:
it did.
Matt:
even then. Even then it was bad.
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
I was like, this looks horrible. I'll just give me like traditional animation, you know. I remember the cheetah. The cheetah was cool. I remember him and I guess Optimus Prime, but I don't know, Optimus Primal or whatever. But yeah, my wife saw that and she said. The parts in the city are really cool, but why are these animals here? So that's like an outsider's take that doesn't know any of this stuff. Like, why are we doing animals now after you've beaten our heads? Six films, six films, apparently. I didn't even know there were that many, but you're right. Six films of vehicles on vehicles. Now we have these animals that have this weird fur. Like, I don't know. It's yeah, I don't know.
Dave:
Yeah. And you know, the setup for the Maximals, they don't really ever talk about the timeline of the Transformers. But Optimus Primal mentions he named himself after Optimus Prime.
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
But homeboys and strident on Earth for how long? Like, how do they even know each other?
Matt:
Exactly,
Dave:
Like,
Matt:
yeah.
Dave:
how does he know about Optimus Prime? I
Matt:
I don't-
Dave:
don't know. I mean, I get it. Like, the Transformers are very, very old. And at one point, they were all on Cybertron. But since we're forcing reasons for this all to be happening on Earth. I guess you have to just suspend belief for some of these things, but...
Matt:
There's just a lot of suspension of belief, which is not a good thing.
Dave:
Yeah, yeah. I don't this is a hot take for sure. I don't think you need human main characters to make these movies at all.
Matt:
That is a hot
Dave:
If
Matt:
take.
Dave:
anything,
Matt:
That's a hot take.
Dave:
the human characters should be the guest stars in the Transformers movie. But we set all these movies up the same way, which is for the human to be somehow instrumental in the Autobots prevailing. And I'm sorry, but if Optimus Prime is like this super old war hero type of leader of the Autobots, he does not need some six foot tall dickheads help to do anything.
Matt:
Hehehe
Dave:
It just is what it is, man. You don't the humans should be secondary to the Transformers. And it goes back to what I was saying before about how not every one of these movies has to start the same way
Matt:
Yeah,
Dave:
with
Matt:
it
Dave:
a human
Matt:
is.
Dave:
accidentally getting stuck inside of a transformer. Um, the humans don't need to be. The inciting event for all of these Transformers movies, we all know who the Transformers are by now. Let's make a Transformers movie where the humans are just sort of there, but not. prevailing in a meaningful way like they do in this movie a lot. Like, the Transformers seemingly can't do anything for themselves. They're
Matt:
Yes.
Dave:
only there to have fights. And I think that's super lame.
Matt:
That's a hot take. That is a hot take.
Dave:
It is. Well, here's another one. This one's gonna be not as hot. This is more of a lukewarm take. It also just kind of probably is gonna make me sound like an asshole. But I think it was kind of funny how they just dragged Bumblebee's body everywhere they went. Like they're just, they weekended a Bernie this motherfucker
Matt:
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Dave:
for half the movie. They just dragged him around all over the globe. They put him in that big plane transformer. They freaking threw him in that village on the ground. They just drug him around. Dead bumblebee, just along for the ride.
Matt:
OGKogtag, but it's the whole person.
Dave:
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Matt:
Remember the follow. They did drag him around a lot.
Dave:
They did. I also think in a general sense that this movie reeks of pre-MCU comic and video game adaptations, which is, in the context that I'm saying this, it's where the movie studio really has a fundamental lack of knowledge of the source material. and therefore just makes a Hollywood movie, but doesn't
Matt:
Okay.
Dave:
make a movie about the source material. And that's what this movie really felt like to me. And that more than meets the eye comment that Optimus Primal made about the humans, like solidified that feeling.
Matt:
So you're saying like the OG Spider-Man or like Daredevil movies like before you're having like a connected
Dave:
Yeah,
Matt:
kind
Dave:
just the
Matt:
of universe
Dave:
shit, the shit,
Matt:
like the
Dave:
the stuff
Matt:
okay
Dave:
that sucked.
Matt:
yeah okay.
Dave:
Like in the Doom movie and like literally every
Matt:
Got
Dave:
video
Matt:
you,
Dave:
game
Matt:
yep,
Dave:
adaptation.
Matt:
those got you, yep, yep.
Dave:
They just don't know the source material.
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
They just make a movie, they're making a movie, they're not making a Transformers movie, they're just making a movie that Transformers happened to be in.
Matt:
Yeah. It's like we said even last week with The Flash, I mean, there's gonna be some scenes that are like cool. There should be, you know, but like
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
making a coherent movie is another thing. I would almost, I mean, I like the human and Transformer relationship, like we talked about earlier.
Dave:
I like the relationship,
Matt:
But,
Dave:
but it's going
Matt:
but,
Dave:
in the wrong direction.
Matt:
but I would almost like, I would just want to see like a Cybertron movie. Like, I don't know, I want like... Well,
Dave:
Yeah,
Matt:
and then now, now
Dave:
sure.
Matt:
what do you do now? What do you do now? Cause like you can't, are you going to reboot it again? Like you have, I don't know.
Dave:
cares.
Matt:
That's where, that's where we're getting to. Who cares now.
Dave:
Who cares? You know what? I, the reason I didn't go see this movie in theaters
Matt:
Yeah, I'm
Dave:
is
Matt:
curious
Dave:
because
Matt:
why you didn't.
Dave:
my, my good friend Andy, who I've talked about before in the podcast, he loves Beast Wars era transformers. He's a little bit younger than me. So it was right. It was at the sweet spot for him in terms of age when it was on TV. He loves Beast Wars area transformers, era transformers. He loves the transformers in a general sense. He also is extremely forgiving of stuff like this. He will find reasons to like something as opposed to find reasons to dislike something. He's just a very optimistic and really positive person, which is one of the things that I like about him. After he saw this, he went opening night. After he saw it, he texted me and he was like, dude, it was kind of dumb. Like I wouldn't bother going to see it. And if my man Andy said that is like the most scathing review he could have given something.
Matt:
Mm.
Dave:
He just does not say things suck unless they are like really, really bad. And he was so hyped to see this movie and he was instantly like, no, dude, don't see it. Not a good time. And I just knew it was going to be bad from that. Just that alone was enough.
Matt:
I mean, I've met Andy before briefly and there's definitely more than meets the eye there.
Dave:
I hate you.
Matt:
Do you want to see another
Dave:
I have
Matt:
Transformers
Dave:
three more.
Matt:
movie Dave? Do you want to see another Transformers
Dave:
What?
Matt:
movie? After seeing
Dave:
No,
Matt:
this do you
Dave:
not
Matt:
want
Dave:
unless
Matt:
to see another-
Dave:
it fixes all
Matt:
He
Dave:
this
Matt:
said
Dave:
stuff.
Matt:
no.
Dave:
You got to fix something. You got to fix the movie. You got to fundamentally change the way you make these movies for me to want to see another one.
Matt:
Okay.
Dave:
You have to, it has to be transformers first, humans second. The relationship is absolutely symbiotic and I do really like the way that transformers and humans can coexist when transformers are on earth. But the humans can't be the main characters and all of the problem solvers and the leaders. They have to be assisting the transformers.
Matt:
Yeah,
Dave:
The transformer
Matt:
it's
Dave:
shouldn't
Matt:
really
Dave:
be
Matt:
shit.
Dave:
fading into the background. just to be there to fight off the bad transformers. That doesn't work for me.
Matt:
And it's been that way since the jump. So you're, you are right. Like I've never really thought about it that way, but it is. The movie is called Transformers, not humans. And that's what it's like. I don't know.
Dave:
Yeah. Letting Noah rally the troops for the final assault on Unicron and
Matt:
Ha
Dave:
Scourge
Matt:
ha ha!
Dave:
was at its best kind of dumb, at its worst, completely laughable.
Matt:
Hehehehe
Dave:
Just him being so crucial to like winning the day, which I've said multiple times already in this episode, was just, it doesn't work for me, I think it's silly,
Matt:
Yeah.
Dave:
but like... You don't need Noah to rally Optimus Prime to a fight. Sorry, not necessary. There's no shot Optimus is like sitting on a tree trunk, like head in his hand distraught, doesn't know what to do with himself. The man's won wars. He's the leader of all of the Autobots. He does not need some little rinky-dink human in Mirage's corpse telling him how to go and win a fight.
Matt:
I'll
Dave:
And the
Matt:
be
Dave:
whole
Matt:
honest, that's when I kind
Dave:
Noah
Matt:
of zoned
Dave:
being
Matt:
out.
Dave:
inside mirage thing,
Matt:
I
Dave:
dude.
Matt:
zoned out, like.
Dave:
I was beside myself
Matt:
I
Dave:
when that happened.
Matt:
was like, I hope he says beside himself.
Dave:
I had an out-of-body experience. My consciousness left my body floated above me, turned around, and I was floating in the air looking at myself going, you stupid motherfucker. Why are you even watching this bullshit movie?
Matt:
You
Dave:
This
Matt:
only
Dave:
is
Matt:
paid
Dave:
one of the
Matt:
$6.99
Dave:
worst things you've
Matt:
dude.
Dave:
ever sat through.
Matt:
You've only paid $6.99
Dave:
$5.99.
Matt:
so you're good. $5.99.
Dave:
Doesn't matter.
Matt:
Even better, even better.
Dave:
Two hours of my life. In the last two weeks, you've cost me five hours of my life.
Matt:
Bro,
Dave:
Do you know
Matt:
we're
Dave:
how much
Matt:
not even...
Dave:
Apex Legends that is?
Matt:
Okay, okay. If we're gonna do this on the podcast, I didn't wanna watch The Flash, that was you. So let's just be real about it. This is me, I will own this. We got receipts in the text thread. You were the one who initiated with me. I said I didn't wanna watch it because of Ezra Miller's antics. And I said that immediately. I just said, hey, if you're gonna read it, you might as well buy it, because that's the only thing I... Icon'd you out of an extra $5, that's what I did, but I didn't want to watch that movie. I know it, you can check the text messages. So yeah, I cost you 20 bucks. I cost you your $5.99. So I actually did you a service.
Dave:
You know what? I'll admit it. I'm looking at the text right now.
Matt:
You know, I didn't want his auction.
Dave:
I said the flash is up for digital download as
Matt:
Exactly!
Dave:
well. would rather watch that than Transformers.
Matt:
Do you still stick by that
Dave:
That's
Matt:
statement?
Dave:
what I said. I do.
Matt:
Yeah, okay. All right.
Dave:
I do.
Matt:
This one just hurt you more. You're closer to the material, so it cuts deeper.
Dave:
I think so.
Matt:
Yeah,
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
that's what it is, I mean. Heh.
Dave:
Also, to get back to the how much I hated Noah being inside of Mirage, why was he so small? Where did the rest of Mirage go?
Matt:
That's what I'm saying, like where did his body go? Like he
Dave:
Yeah,
Matt:
literally just turned into a little
Dave:
that's like,
Matt:
doomer-ing. Like what happened to the
Dave:
yeah.
Matt:
rest of him?
Dave:
Yeah, that's like the worst kind of lore expansion I've ever seen.
Matt:
I'm out.
Dave:
Which goes back to my previous point of like lazy filmmaking and not understanding the source material. They're just making a movie and slapping the Transformers skin on top of it, you know?
Matt:
And when you just said that, like, how many chances did they get? Like the good people get, I thought when this portal was opened, it was over and stuff started coming through. Then we're like blowing up the panel. Originally, once they got the key, it was over. Oh, but we can do this and go into this exhaust port. I'm like, do this like, like how many chances do they get? You're just making stuff up. You're, you're changing the rules of the game.
Dave:
Yeah.
Matt:
Like mid game. Yeah.
Dave:
disappointing. I've got I've got one more thing.
Matt:
Do it Dave.
Dave:
But I don't want to what else do you have that we
Matt:
That's
Dave:
haven't touched on
Matt:
my,
Dave:
that's a hot take or controversial?
Matt:
the
Dave:
Nothing
Matt:
ending,
Dave:
else?
Matt:
the post credit scene.
Dave:
That's
Matt:
That's,
Dave:
the last thing on my list.
Matt:
okay, you got it. You take it.
Dave:
So in the mid credits scene, Noah thinks he's going to a job interview. And I can't remember the actor's name, but he plays this role a lot. But
Matt:
Yeah, he does.
Dave:
yeah, he thinks he's at a job interview. And then the homeboy starts spouting off all these details that he would have no way of knowing. Noah's like, oh, how do you know that? And then he goes, hey, we want you to join our organization, you and your little friends, meaning the Transformers.
Matt:
What do you mean?
Dave:
And then like, he's like, oh, we'll just think about it. And dude like opens a fake wall and like goes into this like massive underground base where they're like, they're working on like a spaceship and there's just all kinds of activity going on. It's like very like Black Sight secret base vibes. You probably know what I'm talking about if you've watched these types of movies before. And then it ends with Noah looking at the business card that dude gave him and it's the G.I. Joe logo. But not the good GI Joe logo.
Matt:
It sure wasn't that.
Dave:
It's the G.I. Joe live action movies logo. And those things are horse shit. I sat through the first one of those and I will never watch a G.I. Joe live action movie ever again.
Matt:
You didn't watch the second one with the rock?
Dave:
Nope.
Matt:
It was much better than the first one. Wasn't great, but it was better than the first one.
Dave:
No
Matt:
Wow.
Dave:
it wasn't. There's no way. There's
Matt:
Yes,
Dave:
no way.
Matt:
it was.
Dave:
That Snake Eyes movie blasted me.
Matt:
Dude's talking through the whole thing. Just had that pretty boy,
Dave:
I ain't watchin'
Matt:
that pretty
Dave:
any of
Matt:
boy
Dave:
those.
Matt:
had to get paid. He had to get paid. No mask on. Oh gosh. You hit. Oh gosh.
Dave:
hated it. We absolutely, two episodes in a row, Matt and I have thrown away our literal time and money to watch these terrible movies. We got an Invincible episode coming up next. That'll come out sometime in between this episode and our next regularly scheduled Monday episode. So the Invincible episode's a bonus. Don't know when it's going to come out yet, but that's coming soon. You know, before we go... I just want one more time, I just want to remind everyone of what happened to Matt and I. We are the boobies. We got bamboozled into watching some bad movies. I'd like to review a good movie. If we're going to do these types of review episodes, could we watch a good movie next time?
Matt:
Um, sure, unfortunately, I think it probably wouldn't be a newer movie, because I think this is the trend that we're going with new movies. They're very few and far between in my humble opinion.
Dave:
Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. All
Matt:
I wish
Dave:
right. Well,
Matt:
it, I truly wish it
Dave:
we'll
Matt:
wasn't
Dave:
work
Matt:
this way,
Dave:
on
Matt:
but
Dave:
that.
Matt:
this-
Dave:
Yeah, we'll work on that offline. For now, if you liked what you've heard, give us a review on Spotify or wherever you watch, listen, download, however you consume our content. Share with a friend. I don't know, whatever. Just help boost us. Give us a little bit of a boost. We'd really appreciate it. Keep us motivated. Helps us keep doing what we're doing. You can follow us on Twitter, so I'm never gonna call it X. Our Twitter handles are in the description of the episode, as well as my threads handle. And we're still working on getting Matt on threads. Maybe by the next episode, he'll be on threads too. We'll see, I don't know. Doesn't seem likely.
Matt:
One day
Dave:
You
Matt:
it'll
Dave:
can tell
Matt:
happen.
Dave:
by the look on your face, it's not likely. That's okay.
Matt:
Shout
Dave:
That's
Matt:
out
Dave:
it, we
Matt:
to
Dave:
don't
Matt:
Benny.
Dave:
have to.
Matt:
Shout out to Benny, by the way.
Dave:
Yeah, shut up, Benny.
Matt:
Tweet me and Dave, we appreciate you.
Dave:
Yeah, appreciate
Matt:
Retweet
Dave:
that.
Matt:
us.
Dave:
Appreciate that. So we won't be back in two weeks because the Invincible episode drops sometime between when this one comes out and when the next episode comes out. So we'll see you when we see you. And we really appreciate you all. So until next time, my name is Dave.
Matt:
You're not mad.
Dave:
Take care everybody. Bye bye.